India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

Baibers_1260 said:
Sarve Dharm Puja ( Multi-Religion Prayer) during induction of the Rafale Jets into the Indian Air Force. I guess the prayers went unheard.
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Scroll to the portions 3:00 and 5:50 the video below.
Those portions are interesting.
India is a "secular" state !

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India is pseudo-secular. France is genuinely secular, in fact, aggressively so. I'm surprised so much pooja was allowed at Dassault HQ. Money trumps principles. Always.
 
vasanthm said:
Don’t see the big deal. I’m atheist, but still do a quick puja for a new car, just cultural. Doesn’t mean the state isn’t secular.
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Your car is a private vehicle.

The Rafale is there to serve the multifaith nation state of India. Why should it be blessed by hindu (or any other faith based) rituals?

This is why you people are fundamentally not ready for democracy or secularism - you simply have no cognition of what these concepts entail on an individual level. No amount of hypocrisy from penny counting "secular" Frenchmen can alter this @BonPlan
 
Master Chief said:
India is pseudo-secular. France is genuinely secular, in fact, aggressively so. I'm surprised so much pooja was allowed at Dassault HQ. Money trumps principles. Always.
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The Sarv Dharm Puja happened in India. Oddly, India's Defense Minister is the last of the "ald guard seculars" hailing from a traditional UP Rajput background .
In this "Puja" he had a Muslim so-called "official cleric",a Christian priest and a Sikh Granthi. Scroll to the portions 3:00 and 5:50 in the video below,
 
Baibers_1260 said:
The Sarv Dharm Puja happened in India. Oddly, India's Defense Minister is the last of the "ald guard seculars" hailing from a traditional UP Rajput background .
In this "Puja" he had a Muslim so-called "official cleric",a Christian priest and a Sikh Granthi. Scroll to the portions 3:00 and 5:50 in the video below,
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I may be confusing events here. He definitely did a pooja in France also, before transfer of the Rafales, also using lemons or coconuts - not sure. This is why I recall being surprised that France's staunch areligious principles were mislaid within the territory of the French Republic temporarily, all in the interests of closing a deal.

As for India's pretence of being a secular state, we really don't need to even try and discredit that one.
 
vasanthm said:
Don’t see the big deal. I’m atheist, but still do a quick puja for a new car, just cultural. Doesn’t mean the state isn’t secular.
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The bigger question is whether there could have been better training and tactics in the use of the Rafale fighter jets.
After what happened events like these should have been questioned but few in India care to fight superstition, and religious tomfoolery.

I wish you better luck with your new car
 
Baibers_1260 said:
The bigger question is whether there could have been better training and tactics in the use of the Rafale fighter jets.
After what happened events like these should have been questioned but few in India care to fight superstition, and religious tomfoolery.

I wish you better luck with your new car
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Thanks, the driver already managed a minor bump, thankfully insurance covered it
Honestly, daily life in India is full of small cultural rituals. A quick pooja isn’t some grand statement, it’s just routine. Government offices, shops, even tech startups do it. Strange that we’re expected to justify every little thing to outside observers.
 
Baibers_1260 said:
The event at Dassault works was not strictly a Puja, There is the old UP tradition of "Nazar Battu" or warding off the "evil eye", by hanging lemons and chillies. New vehicle or equipment acquisitions by a family or institution are adorned with lemons and chillies. These are left dangling on strings until they dry up.
The Rafale being an aircraft obviously cannot have lemons and. chillies dangling from strings permanently because these would be sucked into the engine intake
So the Defense Minister travelled to France to place the lemons under the wheels and chilies on the wingtips.
India has a highly superstitious environment. Most Indian car owners have similar objects dangling from their new vehicles or small icons glued to their dashboard,
Despite a "selective atheist " stance (@vasanthm
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I’m atheist, but I’m not here to kill vibes. If my driver wants a lemon dangling pooja for the new car, my maid enjoys doing rangoli, or my contractor insists on a “good muhurat” to start work, why not? It’s more important to me that the people I work with, or who work with me, feel comfortable. These little rituals make them happy, so be it.
 
TopGun786 said:
Yes thread drifted far away.
Lemons or no lemons what matters most 4 Rafales are missing from IAF inventory.
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The key word in the thread header is "Lucky". That meant a lot when the Rafale's were inducted, Relying on luck is seldom a good option. We should change the thread to "Wrong tactics could have caused more losses to Indian Air Force Rafales "
India's political leadership is singularly ill-informed about modern combat aviation including whether radars function during fog and rain ( as claimed by the Prime Minister during the Balakot incident in 2019 ).
 
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