India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Pradotlc]

Trump might turn around and say that out of 7 few are from Pakistan

Use some common sense… it is obvious he was referring to India

No plane in PAF inventory has. $ 150M price tag.

 

[Vkdindian1]

So no count ?

Ok

We will go with Trumps number

Please go ahead and come over for a count. You have full permission from my side.

Trump’s number is fine with me. The actual numbers lost would remain what they are. Claim of 4, 7, 10 or 15 wouldn’t make any difference to that. And I am not losing any sleep over it.

Meanwhile, could you please publish the picture of Saab that had only minor damage and has been repaired since then?

I am not even asking about the hangars and many other buildings attacked by India that had been miraculously emptied of anything useful.

 

[Pradotlc]

IAF and Indian government could be lying through their teeth about their own losses. And possibly damage to PAF aircraft and facilities too

Not “could” they were lying .. that is an established fact

 

[Pradotlc]

Please go ahead and come over for a count. You have full permission from my side.

Trump’s number is fine with me. The actual numbers lost would remain what they are. Claim of 4, 7, 10 or 15 wouldn’t make any difference to that. And I am not losing any sleep over it.

Meanwhile, could you please publish the picture of Saab that had only minor damage and has been repaired since then?

I am not even asking about the hangars and many other buildings attacked by India that had been miraculously emptied of anything useful.

Why? You are claiming you shot down a saab.. and no body else. So back it up. The world has accepted our claims but not yours.

You should lose sleep … you lost so much and nothing gained

Found the gun men yet?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Why? You are claiming you shot down a saab.. and no body else. So back it up. The world has accepted our claims but not yours.

You should lose sleep … you lost so much and nothing gained

Found the gun men yet?

Saab?!!!

how dare you question Indian integrity?!

 

[Pradotlc]

Saab?!!!

how dare you question Indian integrity?!

Indian integrity ?

What is that ?

 

[TAC]

I neither decide nor have a say in these policies. I have also accepted the loss of few fighters and not standing with official Indian position in this regard.

I do consider such challenges juvenile though, because it is not about counting fighters only but also many other equipment likely to be damaged in those 80 hrs. No modern force would allow such a counting that might spill the beans on so many facets of a force and its facilities.

One more issue is with all Pak members being gung-ho ONLY about the aircraft count. Would Pakistan allow visit to the facilities bombed by India to ascertain the exact nature of damage? Some kids might jump and say yes, but Munir will give a tight slap to anyone wanting to visit those hangars and buildings attacked by India.

IAF and Indian government could be lying through their teeth about their own losses. And possibly damage to PAF aircraft and facilities too. Pakistan has a golden opportunity to be the beacon of truth and invite people to all these facilities and also count the number of fighters and AWACS etc to rub it in the face of the Indian establishment.

I have no issues with that.

Then there is this issue of Trump calling out numbers from time to time. It was 4 to 5 and then changed to 7.

I would suggest a little caution to the celebrations since Trump might turn around and say that out of 7 few are from Pakistan. It could be the ones damaged on ground. Then what? Would he still be celebrated and his statement accepted?

Hence, giving Trump the baton of truth and accepting all his statements should be a little calibrated and toned down.

Trump is Trump is Trump and that can be anybody’s nemesis.

This is a joke right. Shameless Indian officials won’t even verbally confirm their losses, instead resort to pathetic’operation is ongoing’ & ‘numbers do not matter’ and you are suggesting visits to PAF bases to confirm level of damage? At least Pakistan has had the decency to confirm what they lost / their damages.
Your dreams and hopes of damage in Pakistan being anything more than ‘limited and easily repairable during operations’ is nothing more than your coping mechanism for the humbling humiliation IAF suffered in the air battle. Cope harder.

 

[TAC]

has anyone noticed that indian AVM never mentioned a 6 aircraft

’s can’t even lie consistently or back each others lies up

 

[NA71]

Please go ahead and come over for a count. You have full permission from my side.

Trump’s number is fine with me. The actual numbers lost would remain what they are. Claim of 4, 7, 10 or 15 wouldn’t make any difference to that. And I am not losing any sleep over it.

Meanwhile, could you please publish the picture of Saab that had only minor damage and has been repaired since then?

I am not even asking about the hangars and many other buildings attacked by India that had been miraculously emptied of anything useful.

Kids should not be allowed to get registered and start posting in this forum

 

[TAC]

Please go ahead and come over for a count. You have full permission from my side.

Trump’s number is fine with me. The actual numbers lost would remain what they are. Claim of 4, 7, 10 or 15 wouldn’t make any difference to that. And I am not losing any sleep over it.

Meanwhile, could you please publish the picture of Saab that had only minor damage and has been repaired since then?

I am not even asking about the hangars and many other buildings attacked by India that had been miraculously emptied of anything useful.

Why don’t u try using your brain for once? India had no proof that an aircraft was damaged in that hanger yet Pakistan reported it!!! If Pakistan was into lieing through their teeth like shameless Indians why would they have disclosed that??? So when they say no other aircraft was damaged it carries credibility. What credibility does India have with their avasive replies like ‘operation is ongoing’ and outright comical lies like 6 PAF jets ‘shot down’ including a ‘big one’, longest range record breaking SAM kill???!!! Credibility of a that’s what. I know the battering India took is hard for u to live with, losing its pride and joy Ra-fails among others, and that’s very obvious from your posts, but u really need to cope harder.

 

[Areesh]

Would Pakistan allow visit to the facilities bombed by India to ascertain the exact nature of damage? Some kids might jump and say yes, but Munir will give a tight slap to anyone wanting to visit those hangars and buildings attacked by India.

IAF and Indian government could be lying through their teeth about their own losses. And possibly damage to PAF aircraft and facilities too. Pakistan has a golden opportunity to be the beacon of truth and invite people to all these facilities and also count the number of fighters and AWACS etc to rub it in the face of the Indian establishment.

So Pakistan should be doing airbase and facilities visits while your airforce and your government shamelessly says that not even a piece of glass was damaged in the whole war

So Pakistan should be the one doing all the neutral invertory counts while your airforce and your government can continue to shamelessly hide their well established losses and not provide any proof for any of their claimed kills except some doctored and manipulated satelite images

You definitely make completely sense (not)

And funny part is you still think "IAF and Indian government could be lying through their teeth about their own losses"

You still think there is any doubt that your incompetent airforce and your power hungry low IQ government is not lying through the teeth???

 

[Oscar]

Question for all think tanks, mods and experienced forum members,

How is it that India awarding gallantry awards to a S-400 technician is a "proof" that S-400 was damaged and why doesn't the same yard stick apply to the gallantry awards/matrydom of Pakistan AF professionals.

If I use the same logic ->

India awarding gallantry awards means system/place was attacked and according to most members damaged. Similarly Pakistani AF matrydom means significant damage to PAF based/aircrafts.

Im confused - why are you making assumptions of ill intent when infact those given awards for martyrdom were at the place where damage occurred?

Are you projecting your own dishonesty?
Please, Pakistanis are not like you.

People here are openly talking to the damaged Saab at Bholari and loss of life while your side cannot seem to produce a single female pilot who is constantly metamorphic from pregnant to operationally deployed to some meta aatma status in between.

 

[Oscar]

Please go ahead and come over for a count. You have full permission from my side.

Trump’s number is fine with me. The actual numbers lost would remain what they are. Claim of 4, 7, 10 or 15 wouldn’t make any difference to that. And I am not losing any sleep over it.

Meanwhile, could you please publish the picture of Saab that had only minor damage and has been repaired since then?

I am not even asking about the hangars and many other buildings attacked by India that had been miraculously emptied of anything useful.

The Saab is very much not in a flying state but your logic(and that of your fellow countrymen) is rather hypocritical . Are you suggesting if 15 jets were shot down and India was honest to goodness it would happily parade the wreckage even if PAF was unaware of it?

We both know its illogical as much as illogical for PAF to take a picture and parade the saab. PAF has not officially denied any damage to a saab or said otherwise.

As for Hangars being empty at Jacobabad it was simple war prep much like India does in moving assets to hardened shelters.
So yes a hangar was damaged and a spoofed dud hit a generator building but according to Indian experts they wiped out entire squadrons of F-16s which were all shoved in that hangar yet the entire camera happy types that were pushing pictures of nur khan day 1 and even showed damage at Jacobabad cannot see any mass wreckage.

 

[Pradotlc]

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[Cipher212]

Please go ahead and come over for a count. You have full permission from my side.

Trump’s number is fine with me. The actual numbers lost would remain what they are. Claim of 4, 7, 10 or 15 wouldn’t make any difference to that. And I am not losing any sleep over it.

Meanwhile, could you please publish the picture of Saab that had only minor damage and has been repaired since then?

I am not even asking about the hangars and many other buildings attacked by India that had been miraculously emptied of anything useful.

Eventually Pakistan will get denser AD coverage but the IAF will still not be able to figure out how to score a BVR kill.

Other than Bholari, the rest of your strikes are useless. Hitting a power generator building or empty hangar or cratering runway is something we can repair.

You will not however, be able to repair those jets we shot down. Which in my own personal opinion is at least 4 manned fighter jets. Not to mention some of the pilots are also probably dead. Very valuable men.