India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Yasser76]

What else in your inventory would reach at least Sirsa if not an SRBM? As I said, most of your missiles are for nuke delivery which is why you only had rockets to fire. India fired no rockets or SRBMs. Air-to-air missiles weren't fired because there was no air combat, PAF just fired upon our jets in desperation for a war trophy. If they could shoot down our planes that easily they would've done that on 7th on the strike package or on 10th. They couldn't.

BrahMos/SCALP are the only air launched cruise missiles in IAF.


I am talking about the jets that went down, if PAF had the capability they would've defended itself from Indian strikes, instead of attacking aircrafts performing CAP over places far away from the attacks. The shear number of PL-15s fired is good example.

Didn't you create a thread over some US Pilots opinions few days back? Cope? Your people are still posting random videos of "strikes on Indian bases" instead of giving satellite imagery.

BrahMos was used on first day, and it wasn't the only thing which was used, Rampage, SCALP, Crystal Maze, HAMMER and all were used. As I said, pakistan's missiles are largely meant as nuke carriers, leaving behind fewer conventional options. A rocket is never going to make anyone run for ceasefire, especially since they have large CEPs. India didn't use MBRLs either due to it being an area weapon.

Biggest cope post so far on here....

 

[Alex]

USA inflation is through the roof. This isn't surprising. Desperate India will be asked to $500m for single F-35.

Buying F35 would be a serious drain for any third-world country. India is a third world country, despite whatever an Indian's perception is.

 

[iblini]

Where are Indian AAM wreckages if some fierce air battle happened or even Pakistani AAMs after 7th on Indian side? Am anyway ain't interacting with 50cents.

Nothing comes close to declaring victory over a few planes, while being unable to stop the strikes.

And how did PAF launch the wunderwaffe that struck "S-400s" in India? Why would an aircraft go inside AD bubble of enemy? Sounds like copium.

pathetic, totally pathetic frog in the well, eye opening level of IQ level.
Being shot down like flies in a total blind situational awareness=No air battle.

Anyway, not going to interact with this kind of patjeet and the incompetent country that is struggling of deliver a b.s tejus mk1a.

 

[baqai]

I understand that aircraft cannot be downed by jamming, etc. But when you have used your EW suites and jammed enemy aircraft. It is for the purpose of the kill. Let's say, if it was the Israeli Air Force, would they have let their enemy live and see another day?
Also remember the tweet said, according to ACM Sindhu, even the satellite links were scuttled. If Indians were not having satellite links and their comms and instruments were jammed, how did they manage to target the desired areas and release the stand-off weapons in jammed mode? Unless someone removed the jam.

As for the rule of engagement, that's what I am arguing about. I am not discussing anything without evidence. I have quoted Dar; he clearly said the order was for restraint; otherwise, more jets could have been shot down. That is the part I don't understand. It shows cowardice and panic. What if the war escalated? There could be no other reason.
The argument that you don't fire until fired upon is the bone of contention here. That's why I keep repeating that the Indians didn't come to the borders with 72 fully loaded jets to shake hands. Why would you give your old enemy a chance to bomb 9 places in your country, which made world headlines, and kill 40+ of your citizens?

That's the logic I just do not understand. Nobody wants to give me the clear answer. This should be a more serious issue for Pakistanis; your citizens died because of these orders.
As for escalation, who says the danger of full-blown war is removed because of these orders? Full-blown war is a serious possibility. Indians are saying so, and they may very well come back to attack Pakistan again. That's why I said, Why delay today's work for tomorrow?

We are not Israel, we will not get a free chit to kill from America, Britain, Germany, France and others like Israel do so we have to have constraints

We want to delay the inevitable because we don't want a war but if it's imposed on us we will not back down, does it makes me happy to hear that we could have gotten more aircrafts down but we restraint, honestly my answer is 50/50, my inner machoism and keyboard warrior would say ASSHOLE DECISSION MAKERS GOT SCARED while my sane part of the mind trusts our leadership who got us through this period as a victor not only on military but on geo political front as well.

Glass is half full and half empty mate

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Glass is half full and half empty mate

This Dunya has been designed like this. There're are no un-mixed good or bad. They come in combo. As for the Akhiret, it's the oppodite: both good and bad are distinct, and they continue forever.....

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Air-to-air missiles weren't fired because there was no air combat, PAF just fired upon our jets

> There was no air combat
> PAF just fired upon our jets

Are you mentally challenged by any chance?

 

[White Privilege]

Sir, while my heart does agree with you that we should have done the bloodbath that we were cabable of on that night -- And furthermore, we should have struck them on ground -- hard -- the very same morning -- would have sent one hell of a message while they would be trying to recover from the shock --- Even though that could have driven the Indians completely mad and who knows what could follow next.

However, do you really believe PAF on its own could just decide to take out everything they could across the border in the skies? Does the PAF Chief really enjoy that much power?

Sir we have to bully+ the bully, Air chief should have realised those SOWs released would most likely kill our people on the ground, so those jets were fair game as well. Indians(leadership) are psychopaths, they don't go mad, instead hit their senses when counter threatened on equal level. Had we destroyed IAF that day, Indians would not have had any decent force remaining to continue hostilities......

 

[MH.Yang]

Ambushing doesn't mean one-on-one fight. Anyways, leave this here.

Ambushing？

Are you suggesting that the J-10C should dogfight with Indian aircraft?

 

[Falcon26]

That is ignorance of someone who understands literal English but not the actual terms within them.

Therefore the aircraft brought down that day were all those that were actively launching something at Pakistan or deemed to meet the “ensure kill, deny own loss” requirement.

Bringing down a kill chain doesn’t mean the IAF aircraft themselves were completely ineffective but their eyes and ears were throughly degraded in capability.

Cutting off a kill chain isn’t a perpetual act -
And when it was shut off it meant PaF was free to take the shots it needed.
However, just like you there are points where you will take hits to the face and there is a point where either you will back away or go all out or even pull out a gun in panic.

It is very likely that the PAF could have shot down many more aircraft that day in pursuit - but then what if that caused more panic than usual and led to not tens but hundreds of SSM launches at Pakistan?
What if led to an even greater escalation ladder then that was seen in the next few days?

There is what I can do - and what I should do.
Children - what to think in terms of what they can do as you are suggesting
Wisdom dictates you think of what you should do.

You’ve been given all the explanations needed to answer you - agree to disagree and move on.

So Pakistan is deterred by massive Indian retaliation?

So it wasn’t a “maturity & restrain” as claimed by DGISPR & GHQ but fear of not provoking massive Indian retaliation?

Incredible & chimes with what I said during the conflict: Pakistan’s retaliation carried no military wisdom beyond satisfying public outcry.

India read “maturity and restraint” for what it was: naked weakness hence the decision to launch dozens of missiles at every premier PAF airbase and cause varying degrees of damage while Pakistan was focused on containing its response within Kashmir region - and even then, there’s zero independently verifiable evidence Pakistani strikes caused any ground damages

This makes future Indian adventurism more likely, not less and in future engagements, India will learn from its mistakes and the golden latter Pakistan was served in May to punish at historical scale won’t be there.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

What is the latest count? Only Rafale please, saar!

Why don't Indians candidly ask this to their military chiefs, or are you afraid of hearing the truth? The silence speaks for itself.

Surely you have some shame left or has the lobotomy project taken that away too?

 

[side-winder]

What is the latest count? Only Rafale please, saar!

To: CAS IAF
CC: PM, NSA, Def Min, CDS

 

[Thinking]

Why don't Indians candidly ask this to their military chiefs, or are you afraid of hearing the truth? The silence speaks for itself.

Surely you have some shame left or has the lobotomy project taken that away too?

India is not run by military saar! No higher authority then PMO, saaar! So we come to PDF for latest count!

 

[Sinnerman108]

If you post the remaining video in that series, there was a video of a female pilot, who was surrendering to a soldier ....

Absolutely, you saved me the pain,

These Hindu-Stanis ...

 

[Windjammer]

India is not run by military saar! No higher authority then PMO, saaar! So we come to PDF for latest count!

I guess you have lost your thinking hat again. Any wonder your humiliated and defeated Netas are hell bent to keep you under a stone. Maybe your Netas live in a parralel universe hence they are oblivious to what your armed forces have suffered.
Before electioneering, he should have listened to the in-house Basanti .

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[Windjammer]

@Thinking
Please saar, don't open your curry hole and reveal your tonsils on an open forum .