Falcon26
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India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales
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Sinnerman108
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maxpane
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when pakistani pilot is saying iaf pilots had some chances in 2019 then it shows that how much they are ready to learn from that mistake and they acknowledge it wholeheartily . Thats a way to over come out mistake instead of mitti pao policy. Hope this process wont stop in paf
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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Notam issued by IAF for sep 01 and 02, adjacent to Sindh
flyingorca
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I think its a deterrence measure, maybe they just want to warn their adversaries what their technologies can accomplish. So in near future when China decides to take over Taiwan, US or its allies think twice before intervening.
CSAW
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gamaji
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Count the hell your planes in front of any reputed body and prove American president 'Trumpoo' wrong. What stops Indians doing that simple thing to prove others wrong rather than bullshitting everywhere all the time?
iblini
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It's simple, just see how US ditched them when they found out the pawn is useless, and how India has to make a U turn in foreign policy.
niubi
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India in recent weeks have been trying to come into Chinese side and realign. Their political circles are calling it a rebalancing. Lol they see the west discarding them and have measured their self worth if they do not have a real superpower to support it, it cannot keep up false pretenses of progress. There is truly very few and finite sources of prosperity creation and technology. Indian leaders understand it has to rely on the support (economic, industrial and technology supply) of a true superpower. US has discarded it under Trump. Perhaps future US regimes will try to renegotiate with India.
The mistake this forum makes about India is in concluding that India political elites do not know what is true and what is fantasy and delusions to placate their population. The previous decades of feeding their population this perpetual delusion gravy train has increased their nationalism and arrogance but without the capabilities to back up that arrogance. It falls apart in time unless they can eventually produce real results to show their population. Many Indians are waking up but most are afraid to speak up otherwise the still believing delusionals will lynch them as anti-national.
But Indian leaders know all of the real facts. This one included. They know where their military abilities now are. They will try to improve behind the scenes while talking it up as usual for their domestic audience and the global audience. To keep up the charade and keep this blindfold on until it can source some support to produce the results discussed.
Problem is China will not trust it. China will extract benefits from India in exchange for any small favours. Like Doklam crisis, China is going into these meetings with superior positions for negotiation. It is India coming to China with its begging bowl out now that the previous master has discarded it and not only that, has whipped it good before discarding it.
India is actually in a pitiful position and its hypernationalists are beyond delusional at this point. They can blame their political elites for being literally the worst leadership humanity has seen in a very long time. But their political elites are as manipulative and in control of their population as they are incompetent. I suppose that is to the benefit of Pakistan. It's a mild annoyance to China as this Indian political circle is just a flip flop master. It cannot and will not be trusted. India will pay up front before deals and struck.
If India had a reliable and competent political elite and structure, China would be able to work out a mutually beneficial relationship going forward. This could even settle the age old border disputes between Pakistan, India, and China. These things don't need to last forever and these crisis dont need to be a thing. China is almost entirely focused on countering the western alliance. It would like nothing more than being able to have India truly and genuinely dedicated to being either neutral or standing more on China's side against the west. This may never happen but up until now India has actually stood by the West in opposition to China and frequently even did western bidding. If this changes and India is truly committed then it deserves a deal too. Problem is India has its own ambitions and keeping it only slightly pro west or abandoning its call is a better option than working with India.
The mistake this forum makes about India is in concluding that India political elites do not know what is true and what is fantasy and delusions to placate their population. The previous decades of feeding their population this perpetual delusion gravy train has increased their nationalism and arrogance but without the capabilities to back up that arrogance. It falls apart in time unless they can eventually produce real results to show their population. Many Indians are waking up but most are afraid to speak up otherwise the still believing delusionals will lynch them as anti-national.
But Indian leaders know all of the real facts. This one included. They know where their military abilities now are. They will try to improve behind the scenes while talking it up as usual for their domestic audience and the global audience. To keep up the charade and keep this blindfold on until it can source some support to produce the results discussed.
Problem is China will not trust it. China will extract benefits from India in exchange for any small favours. Like Doklam crisis, China is going into these meetings with superior positions for negotiation. It is India coming to China with its begging bowl out now that the previous master has discarded it and not only that, has whipped it good before discarding it.
India is actually in a pitiful position and its hypernationalists are beyond delusional at this point. They can blame their political elites for being literally the worst leadership humanity has seen in a very long time. But their political elites are as manipulative and in control of their population as they are incompetent. I suppose that is to the benefit of Pakistan. It's a mild annoyance to China as this Indian political circle is just a flip flop master. It cannot and will not be trusted. India will pay up front before deals and struck.
If India had a reliable and competent political elite and structure, China would be able to work out a mutually beneficial relationship going forward. This could even settle the age old border disputes between Pakistan, India, and China. These things don't need to last forever and these crisis dont need to be a thing. China is almost entirely focused on countering the western alliance. It would like nothing more than being able to have India truly and genuinely dedicated to being either neutral or standing more on China's side against the west. This may never happen but up until now India has actually stood by the West in opposition to China and frequently even did western bidding. If this changes and India is truly committed then it deserves a deal too. Problem is India has its own ambitions and keeping it only slightly pro west or abandoning its call is a better option than working with India.
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Raider 21
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Prove the lying Pakistani government then. Bring in an independent agency that can audit both air force inventories. I know from the PAF side they would be willing to do so. Prove the very US president wrong that many Indians in the US flock up for a pat on the back…….
Master Chief
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A lot of sensible points here.
India regards its behaviour as a "political balancing act". In reality. It is a just a circus.
Vkdindian1
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We all know that, this never happens in the real world. No country has ever done such a thing and the reasons are known to all of us.
Would Pakistan release the picture of the damaged Saab, to show how little damage has been done to it, in the Brahmos strike at its hangar? Or line up all its aircraft and invite credible press to count them and punch a hole in the IAF story of shooting down fighters or destroying them in the hangar? It wouldn’t happen ever.
What is definitely surprising is IAF releasing details of attacks in a gradual manner with seemingly credible proof. I am not talking about IAF chief’s claim about shooting down fighters but attack on ground targets.
If true then, this would create a little doubt about ISPR’s earlier claims of shooting down or soft kill of most of the weapons fired by India and only few were able to penetrate the PAK AD.
If the number of weapons fired was indeed less than 50, then with each such release by the IAF, it appears that more number of missiles found their mark and only a minuscule numbers were intercepted.
samsite84
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Question for all think tanks, mods and experienced forum members,
How is it that India awarding gallantry awards to a S-400 technician is a "proof" that S-400 was damaged and why doesn't the same yard stick apply to the gallantry awards/matrydom of Pakistan AF professionals.
If I use the same logic ->
India awarding gallantry awards means system/place was attacked and according to most members damaged. Similarly Pakistani AF matrydom means significant damage to PAF based/aircrafts.
How is it that India awarding gallantry awards to a S-400 technician is a "proof" that S-400 was damaged and why doesn't the same yard stick apply to the gallantry awards/matrydom of Pakistan AF professionals.
If I use the same logic ->
India awarding gallantry awards means system/place was attacked and according to most members damaged. Similarly Pakistani AF matrydom means significant damage to PAF based/aircrafts.
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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kimjongun
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The logic is correct...but we have already accepted the loss of the technicians and pilots in the Saab hanger..even during our press conference we accepted that india attacked the hanger and the Saab was damaged...there were no other personal loss as far as there is public info to see..if there had been we would have posted more pictures like we did with the Saab case....We have already learned to repair sliced up airframes of large aircrafts due to the attacks on our facilities by terrorists....
