India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Raider 21]

Well..., look at what the cat dragged in...

Its been a while. Why'd it take you so long to signup?

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@Waz

He was making sure that aircraft are flying up in North America. Glad to have him

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

an honest, loving and faithful soul is irreplaceble.

BTW, this goes against, our 'sethiya culture', 'yes sir/buttering mindset' materialistic driven society..

who genuinely believe, everything is replaceable, if one has power

 

[TAC]

I follow CW Lemoine he has been guarded, shocked ,respectful and cynical on this topic. he has appreciated and acknowledged the PAF presentation but had to backpaddle his praise for PAF due to Indian butthurt smell reached all the way to America.

there was an issue of realizing the power of Chinese technology as well against the top tier Western tech as well and that was a hard pill to swallow for western commentators.

I’ve found this guy irritating at best so avoid giving him any hits. Constantly and repeatedly stressing ‘allegedly’ when their is undeniable proof of at least 4 top IAF jets down and related reports in US’s own news outlets like WP and NYT quoting independent experts who have assessed the evidence, says all u need to know about how impartial his analysis is going to be. Not surprising as ex USAF, he’s hardly going to be receptive to the idea that top Western tech was smashed by equivalent Chinese tech.

 

[rafale]

I’ve found this guy irritating at best so avoid giving him any hits. Constantly and repeatedly stressing ‘allegedly’ when their is undeniable proof of at least 4 top IAF jets down and related reports in US’s own news outlets like WP and NYT quoting independent experts who have assessed the evidence, says all u need to know about how impartial his analysis is going to be. Not surprising as ex USAF, he’s hardly going to be receptive to the idea that top Western tech was smashed by equivalent Chinese tech.

Yea i found his comments to be same....and probably he is doing it for the views.

4 crashed jets and their pics are clear. Maybe also because the time he served in USAF they were drilled into their minds the superiority concept.....only to now realize that China is a rapidly developing threat. The amount of technological advancement is just exponential, nothing like that has ever been dealt with at this speed by USA before, not even during the height of cold war with Soviet Union (1950s-70s).

Then came the 1990s when USAF/USN had zero credible threats or peer competitor. In next decade China will be a full Peer competitor and even surpass in some areas.

 

[Raider 21]

Yea i found his comments to be same....and probably he is doing it for the views.

4 crashed jets and their pics are clear. Maybe also because the time he served in USAF they were drilled into their minds the superiority concept.....only to now realize that China is a rapidly developing threat. The amount of technological advancement is just exponential, nothing like that has ever been dealt with at this speed by USA before, not even during the height of cold war with Soviet Union (1950s-70s).

Then came the 1990s when USAF/USN had zero credible threats or peer competitor. In next decade China will be a full Peer competitor and even surpass in some areas.

I’d not take his content seriously….he was a USAF Reserve pilot on Vipers at one point with a deployment to Afghanistan. He’s no test pilot, no FWS grad, not AETC IP…..etc etc. I have met his other host in person (Gonky), he has a much more diligent approach to things in discussion at least in person.

The current boss of USAF FWS, from the rumours I have heard with some USAF pilots I work with, believes the PAF side regarding some of the air to air shootdowns. USAF FWS and OT groups do look at PLAAF far more seriously than any of these online pundits.

If I were to take anyone seriously for these online podcasts it would be FPP, Ate Chuet and 10 Percent Tales from the Cockpit.

Mover’s content generally is for those who find military aircraft as cool…….less to do with any major learning and discussions.

 

[kimjongun]

Genuinely speaking...a couple of years back i used only youtube,IDRW and some other sites for defence related updates and news...i dont know how the **** i didnt find these forums before or maybe i was just a dreaming kid....knowing that there used to be forums and defence sites as back as 04 and 06 blows my mind...Thankfully i found these forums and got to know about the large defence enthusiast community in PAK...Got to know a lot of freakin stuff which i never could have gotten from yt clips....really thankfull for this site lol

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I’d not take his content seriously….he was a USAF Reserve pilot on Vipers at one point with a deployment to Afghanistan. He’s no test pilot, no FWS grad, not AETC IP…..etc etc. I have met his other host in person (Gonky), he has a much more diligent approach to things in discussion at least in person.

The current boss of USAF FWS, from the rumours I have heard with some USAF pilots I work with, believes the PAF side regarding some of the air to air shootdowns. USAF FWS and OT groups do look at PLAAF far more seriously than any of these online pundits.

If I were to take anyone seriously for these online podcasts it would be FPP, Ate Chuet and 10 Percent Tales from the Cockpit.

Mover’s content generally is for those who find military aircraft as cool…….less to do with any major learning and discussions.

he is good enough for youtube community and offers a little more than fanboy videos he plays games as well so he has his audience. when he and Gonky join up they fly the America is awesome flag. Gonky himself is also same with a different flavor but its fine , if i am only looking for PAF praise then I will watch videos from ex PAF and Pakistani youtubers. I sometimes watch these other guys to see what they are thinking and how they taking it and how Indians are setting new airforce records in the comments section.

 

[Mav3rick]

Haven't you heard regarding half a dozen IAF officers who were arrested immediately after MeH? Reports are that they spoke a bit more passionately in front of IAF chief during one of visits....

No my friend, I have no idea. Any link to the news?

 

[Mav3rick]

His subordinates are as shameless and lack dignity just like him

So I don't think he faces any issues while facing other IAF officers

I'd like to think that the soldier on the other side of the border also has courage, dignity, pride and integrity. Just because we are naturally inclined to fighting and hence can hold our own, it does us little benefit to belittle our enemies.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I'd like to think that the soldier on the other side of the border also has courage, dignity, pride and integrity. Just because we are naturally inclined to fighting and hence can hold our own, it does us little benefit to belittle our enemies.

ego is less of a problem, where money is involved..

Indian billionaires now want to profit off wars, hence, IWT suspension!

 

[TAC]

I'd like to think that the soldier on the other side of the border also has courage, dignity, pride and integrity. Just because we are naturally inclined to fighting and hence can hold our own, it does us little benefit to belittle our enemies.

Fully agree but difficult to credit them with basic expected qualities like integrity and dignity when those at the top of the ladder like their AC lie shamelessly via such comical claims.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Anyone notice Shehbaz and Putin are being real buddies rn? Like actual buddies

 

[Raider 21]

We all know that, this never happens in the real world. No country has ever done such a thing and the reasons are known to all of us.

Would Pakistan release the picture of the damaged Saab, to show how little damage has been done to it, in the Brahmos strike at its hangar? Or line up all its aircraft and invite credible press to count them and punch a hole in the IAF story of shooting down fighters or destroying them in the hangar? It wouldn’t happen ever.

What is definitely surprising is IAF releasing details of attacks in a gradual manner with seemingly credible proof. I am not talking about IAF chief’s claim about shooting down fighters but attack on ground targets.

If true then, this would create a little doubt about ISPR’s earlier claims of shooting down or soft kill of most of the weapons fired by India and only few were able to penetrate the PAK AD.

If the number of weapons fired was indeed less than 50, then with each such release by the IAF, it appears that more number of missiles found their mark and only a minuscule numbers were intercepted.

Very much agreed. The AWACS aircraft in question has been repaired.

No. 18 and 19 Squadrons may need to run an inventory check or two.....

 

[maxpane]

Very much agreed. The AWACS aircraft in question has been repaired.

No. 18 and 19 Squadrons may need to an inventory check or two.....

so we lost some aircrafts ?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

If the number of weapons fired was indeed less than 50, then with each such release by the IAF, it appears that more number of missiles found their mark and only a minuscule numbers were intercepted.

no, with 'precise' 50 weapons fired


we would'nt be having this debate, at all!


its like saying, I have hit you 'precisely' 50 times, but, I dont want to show you!!!

how utterly stupid of an argument is that?!