India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

They are arming themselves with R-37m. I guess they will get original R-37 with 400km range. We need to pay attention to IAF inductions. I know J-16 has license issues but this jet can fire pl-17. We need pl-17. IAF must not outrange us. IAF is preparing to fire first on us. We must pay attention here. Forget 6-0. it's past. move on.

will take 3 to 4 years, this induction!

unless Ukraine war ends tomorrow

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

They are arming themselves with R-37m. I guess they will get original R-37 with 400km range. We need to pay attention to IAF inductions. I know J-16 has license issues but this jet can fire pl-17. We need pl-17. IAF must not outrange us. IAF is preparing to fire first on us. We must pay attention here. Forget 6-0. it's past. move on.

It's the EW/EA capability, not the range only, that matter. The PAF is 5 to 10 years ahead of Bharat as per a former PAF Chief.....

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

its an old story now. we better move on. Modi achieved some political Mileage and the Chinese managed to prove the battle worthiness of their jets.

until next time

Close this thread.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Truth can be a painful thing, appreciate that. You wanted reliable sources, I mentioned them,, now you cry. Usual reaction, I get it.

Hurts so much maybe stop with the BS?

IMO it's not the #, it's their grounding the IAF for 2 whole days and avoiding A2A engagements that show their operational paralysis. Couple it with their not letting Dassault to inspect Rafales following the air battles. It implies how coward and chicken hearted they are. For them, death = defeat.....

In a round table discussion a former PAF Chief was reprimanding the IAF for not showing up in the morning of the 10th when the final round was taking place. The PAF, I assume, crossed into their borders to take out their ground assets.....

 

[arsalan345]

will take 3 to 4 years, this induction!

unless Ukraine war ends tomorrow

I think it will take just one year. IAF is doing all this on emergency basis. war between ukraine and russia will not stop. russia is getting money and even ready to provide 150 r-37m missiles to india within one year. i am so sorry but i think fall of russia will benefit pakistan in the long term. India is getting whatever they want from russians. i think integration will not take years. they have su-30s. i think it will take just one year. they are anxious,very anxious.

i am so sick to see all this blame games from indian and pakistani posters. what happened has happened indians. 6-0 is reality and we must forget it as every new war is a new challenge so prepare for the new challenge. move on.

 

[Liquidator]

They are arming themselves with R-37m. I guess they will get original R-37 with 400km range. We need to pay attention to IAF inductions. I know J-16 has license issues but this jet can fire pl-17. We need pl-17. IAF must not outrange us. IAF is preparing to fire first on us. We must pay attention here. Forget 6-0. it's past. move on.

I remember on the older forum when India signed the deal for s400 around 2018. The Indian members were more boastful back then, as operations fantastic tea and suhaag raat hadn't humbled them.

They would boast that with the s400, India can enforce a no fly zone all across Pakistan esp. Kashmir. In reality, we saw who flew and who remained grounded. Their prized possessions became junk falling out of the sky.

These buffoons destroyed the mythical glory of the Rafale in 1 hour.

 

[arsalan345]

I remember on the older forum when India signed the deal for s400 around 2018. The Indian members were more boastful back then, as operations fantastic tea and suhaag raat hadn't humbled them.

They would boast that with the s400, India can enforce a no fly zone all across Pakistan esp. Kashmir. In reality, we saw who flew and who remained grounded. Their priced possessions became junk falling out of the sky.

These buffoons destroyed the mythical glory of the Rafale in 1 hour.

As far as i know, s-400 tried but our jets evaded. this is what i know. S-400 is a lethal weapon and i don't consider it as a joke. We must forget what indians did during may conflict as indians are like cartoon network. They live in their own created world but their military is capable to fight us. We should worry and we should monitor their every move.

Obviously certain tactics help to evade missiles of all forms. Best is terrain masking. We are professional airforce. They know it so they are more focused on next conflict. We must forget 6-0 and move on. S-400 is real deal but it's too big and easy to target. It has mobility but still can be targeted. It's all about finding sams at the right time and hit the trigger button.

Anyway we should look forward. Watch the indians carefully.

 

[samsite84]

your AF is really nice (as per you version of truth), what are best upgrades it has received since May 10th?

Far from it dude... If IAF would have been better prepared/equipped/trained the result should have been very different. Yes the ground attacks were effective but the A2A was lagging. PAF clearly held its own/did better on May 7th unequivocally.

I am not aware of any "upgrades" other than purchasing missiles which is bound to happen once you find your fighters outranged for the most part...

 

[samsite84]

Truth can be a painful thing, appreciate that. You wanted reliable sources, I mentioned them,, now you cry. Usual reaction, I get it.

Hurts so much maybe stop with the BS?

Finding truth has a cost, I am ready to take the "hurt" if that means offending a few people because I don't "agree" with their version of events. For every publication/person you've mentioned there are 100X which agree on 3-5 jet losses. Also, the make up of those 3-5 or even the 7 the few publications/Trump mentioned is debatable. Basically, the total number 7 is as PUMA as it gets

 

[Yasser76]

Finding truth has a cost, I am ready to take the "hurt" if that means offending a few people because I don't "agree" with their version of events. For every publication/person you've mentioned there are 100X which agree on 3-5 jet losses. Also, the make up of those 3-5 or even the 7 the few publications/Trump mentioned is debatable. Basically, the total number 7 is as PUMA as it gets

Again, can go with some anon Indian who opened an account in here on May 16 2025 or the most respected defence aviation journo in the world. Try and guess who 99% of people will go with.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, just do not cry when it is countered with facts

Cheers

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Far from it dude... If IAF would have been better prepared/equipped/trained the result should have been very different. Yes the ground attacks were effective but the A2A was lagging. PAF clearly held its own/did better on May 7th unequivocally.

I am not aware of any "upgrades" other than purchasing missiles which is bound to happen once you find your fighters outranged for the most part...

do you realize, what you have just said?!!!

you are now starting to look like Sesame Street cartoon, frankly!

 

[samsite84]

Again, can go with some anon Indian who opened an account in here on May 16 2025 or the most respected defence aviation journo in the world. Try and guess who 99% of people will go with.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, just do not cry when it is countered with facts

Cheers

Dude... this is gross misrepresentation. I have no say/credibility whether I say 4-0,7-0 or freaking 100-0. I asked (given that fog of war has now lessened) whether any credible evidence has emerged (OSINT etc.) as I can't believe a "statement" from PAF on 4 Rafales downed. Similarly I don't believe IAF statement on loss of PAF assets (as there is no objective proof).

What part of the ask is hard to understand? Or is it your haste to post that leads you to make such errors of judgement/comprehension?

 

[samsite84]

do you realize, what you have just said?!!!

you are now starting to look like Sesame Street cartoon, frankly!

Its as clear as night and day dude - IAF was left wanting... I don't know how being critical of "my" forces is cartoonish. Pray tell.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Dude... this is gross misrepresentation. I have no say/credibility whether I say 4-0,7-0 or freaking 100-0. I asked (given that fog of war has now lessened) whether any credible evidence has emerged (OSINT etc.) as I can't believe a "statement" from PAF on 4 Rafales downed. Similarly I don't believe IAF statement on loss of PAF assets (as there is no objective proof).

What part of the ask is hard to understand? Or is it your haste to post that leads you to make such errors of judgement/comprehension?

so far no credible evidence for other 3 rafales. the only one is of Alan warnes who said i have seen the proofs. now it depends on how much reliable alan warnes is.. by the way you are the rare indian i have seen who talk rationally so far. otherwise hypernationalism is extremely high in India and now a little high in pakistan too.

 

[Yasser76]

Dude... this is gross misrepresentation. I have no say/credibility whether I say 4-0,7-0 or freaking 100-0. I asked (given that fog of war has now lessened) whether any credible evidence has emerged (OSINT etc.) as I can't believe a "statement" from PAF on 4 Rafales downed. Similarly I don't believe IAF statement on loss of PAF assets (as there is no objective proof).

What part of the ask is hard to understand? Or is it your haste to post that leads you to make such errors of judgement/comprehension?

Again, enjoy your opinion....