India Races Towards A 200-Ship Fleet By 2035 To Counter China And Pakistan

[RealNapster]

Sulha Pakistani awam say karni hogee, woh GHQ duffers ko manzoor nahi, you want the DHA's, gold courses, cushy civilian jobs and overseas assets to become yateem?

We only need big army and big defence spending because we have a bigger enemy. Remove this enemy from equation and suddenly you only need only 40% of your current military strength and 50% of current defence spending.

Now who would not want that ? Maybe those who are getting benefited from the status Quo.

 

[hussain0216]

You can not compete with a 200 ship Navy that is mix of aircraft carrier, destroyers, converts, ASW ships etc... what you need is cost effective and asymmetrical ways along with some heavy punch.

So a major focus on

1. Suicide drones USVs, alot of them
2. Speed boats with cruise missiles, alot of them . Like 100
3. 8-10 ships with 64 VLS ,in 4500-5000 tonnage.
4. Submarine force needs to be expanded to 20. A mix of small and medium tonnage.
5. Coastal Anti-ship batteries with 1000 km hypersonic (and super and subsonic) anti-ship missiles


Jinnah and babur will carry what ? 16 SAMs ? That is for defence only. What about attack ? They only have 6-8 cruise missiles. A single India frigate will have 40+ SAMs to counter those 6-8 cruise missiles.


But even if we do all of this, still we can not prevent a blockade from Indian navy that is set 1000 km away from our coast. These things are only going to make it somewhat expensive for India and that's it. A 1000 km coastline country can not compete with a 11000 km coastline country that have 10 times of the economy.

Pakistan Coast is much smaller, matching the navy of a country with a much larger Coast is stupid

However coming up with solutions on how to ensure that navy can't operate anywhere near your country and coastline is what Pakistan navy/military is concentrating on


Hence the Hangor subs and future sub plans

Hence concentrating on Smash 1, Smash ER and Smash 2 which should be a 800km missile

The sea drones etc


We don't need to match the Indian navy just stock up on missiles and weapons that make operations anywhere near Pakistan deadly



A lot of the Indian navy is also JUNK, take their "aircraft carrier" for example, if the indians want to try their luck near to Pakistan with that junk then they are morons

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

It will be very tough for Pakistan to match India and it will require out of box strategy. Pakistan is little behind in building replacements for F-22P.

Pakistan needs to increase the production of Babur‑class (PN MILGEM) and design New indigenous Corvette based on MILGEM‑G / TF‑100 concepts.

Total: 14–16 corvettes, plus 12–16 FACs and 6–8 OPVs.

I dont even think we should even try to "compete" in a traditional sense. That'll bankrupt us.
We need sea denial for 30-40 days like Ukraine vs. Russia.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

We only need big army and big defence spending because we have a bigger enemy. Remove this enemy from equation and suddenly you only need only 40% of your current military strength and 50% of current defence spending.

Now who would not want that ? Maybe those who are getting benefited from the status Quo.

Hindus are born harami due to their strange and world-renowned Chotti lulli syndrome. They bow down to the mighty and roar at the weak just look at how their society operates. I don't think pacifism is even an option against such a society, so let's not even go down that road.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

No. That is the full solution. Why is bangladesh not building super Navy or buying new fighter jets or expanding their military spending on army ? Because they dont need to.

Qunky unho ne sulha kar le hy. Despite being the bigger economy then pakistan, they are spending 60% less on defence then pakistan.

And that is not a single case. Talk about

Bhutan
Nepal
Sri Lanka
Maldives

Have you seen Bangladesh and what goes on in Bangladesh? Who controls and influences Bangladesh? Who twists their balls every day of the week to get what they want?
Are you serious, dude?! I am not even a F-jeet, but you are being absolutely ridiculous rn
The whole region is broke so military spending ideally shouldn't be as high as it is rn, but Hindu as a people will pounce and degrade those whom they see as weak, so you can't afford to be weak.
Unfortunately

 

[CallSignMaverick]

And Rafale were supposed to ground PAF.

Someone did get grounded, dunno if it were Rafale airstrikes on 10th May or...

Hindus are born harami due to their strange and world-renowned Chotti lulli syndrome. They bow down to the mighty and roar at the weak just look at how their society operates. I don't think pacifism is even an option against such a society, so let's not even go down that road.

Harami Hindus built a much more successful and wealthier country than pak saaf momins like you, speaks volumes

 

[RealNapster]

Hindus are born harami due to their strange and world-renowned Chotti lulli syndrome. They bow down to the mighty and roar at the weak just look at how their society operates. I don't think pacifism is even an option against such a society, so let's not even go down that road.

Tell me this. Other than kashmir and LOC what other issue we actually have between India and Pakistan ??? And if India wants, can it take AJK from Pakistan or if pakistsn want, can it take JK from India ? Considering both are nuclear states ???

And if we resolve this issue with them, what will be left to fight for between these two countries ?

No need for the "akhand bahart" mantra because 1. Majority of India doesn't believe in that or doesn't want that. 2. Its not possible to happen.

 

[Owaiz]

We only need big army and big defence spending because we have a bigger enemy. Remove this enemy from equation and suddenly you only need only 40% of your current military strength and 50% of current defence spending.

Now who would not want that ? Maybe those who are getting benefited from the status Quo.

There were a few genuine attempts at peace in the last three decades, between Vajpayee's bus ride to Lahore and Modi's visit on Nawaz Sharif's birthday. Despite political will on both sides, these efforts were undermined by one institution which had the most to lose with incidents like Kargil, attack on India's Parliament, Mumbai attacks, Pathankot air base attack, etc. Pakistan's generals clearly don't want to live in 2 bedroom flats after retirement like their Indian counterparts do.

Besides, the attitude in India has also changed after the real or perceived betrayals and the peace constituency no longer has much influence.

So, sulah is going to require major changes not just in Pakistan, but also India, as there are strong vested interests against it in both countries now.

 

[RealNapster]

Have you seen Bangladesh and what goes on in Bangladesh? Who controls and influences Bangladesh? Who twists their balls every day of the week to get what they want?
Are you serious, dude?! I am not even a F-jeet, but you are being absolutely ridiculous rn
The whole region is broke so military spending ideally shouldn't be as high as it is rn, but Hindu as a people will pounce and degrade those whom they see as weak, so you can't afford to be weak.
Unfortunately

Have India twisted their (bangladesh) arms to take extra land from bangladesh to resolve their chickens neck problem ? Have India stopped Bangladeshi economy from growing and competing against its own (tale example of garments and textile for example). Like how is India an existential threat for bangladesh ? Help me understand this.

And please dont get me started on who controls bangladesh. Tell me this. Are pakistani awaam and their elected politicians in control of pakistanis and their government ???? Ham pakistanio ko foreign control or influence ki baat ni krne chaahye becaise we are being control by KSA, Iran, USA, China, and UK.... simultaneously. And all of them influence our local politics, our foreign policy and other affairs.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Although there's new updates, but this is IN in late 30s and ~2040s.


Anyone can help add PN's 2040s projects too.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

But your requirement for big military power reduces. Almost by 50%. You dont need deatroyer ships and submarines to fight piracy in sea or Afghanistan. Suddenly you require a much smaller fire department. So your defence spending can be easily reduced from $12 billion + additional soft loan based defence procurement to maybe what.... ? 5-6 billion dollars ?



All the more reason for signing peace deal with india, reduce your defence spending and spend the saved money on paying back loans and developing an economy that have a spine....

We can do peace deal between everyone, but not with india. Like this is some new level of shitshow.

Geopolitical reasons, If peace deal is done, there will no need of big army. Who will benefit from this? Pakistan or someone else. Please read my previous posts as have explained Pakistani GeoPolitical situation, politics stuck in 90s, and economy and lack of reforms, and reason for all of theses. I dont' want to drail is thread.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

I dont even think we should even try to "compete" in a traditional sense. That'll bankrupt us.
We need sea denial for 30-40 days like Ukraine vs. Russia.

Bankrupt us ? Nice joke.
We are already Bankrupt and some analysts of the opinion that we should declare default and restart fresh. This will give us room to grow.

 

[peacemaker99]

Sulha kar lo

I agree. Old strategies dont work anymore. Infia has decided economy is true competitive advantage and pak will lose absolutely if it also doesnt follow suit.

 

[peacemaker99]

And Rafale were supposed to ground PAF.

You said you trounded IAF for 3 days. Winning war requires you yo ground enemy for more than 3 days.

 

[RealNapster]

Geopolitical reasons, If peace deal is done, there will no need of big army. Who will benefit from this? Pakistan or someone else. Please read my previous posts as have explained Pakistani GeoPolitical situation, politics stuck in 90s, and economy and lack of reforms, and reason for all of theses. I dont' want to drail is thread.

You are right. Proceed.