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[r3alist]

The entire thought process of Pakistanis are skewed towards military and security. Someone mentioned comments made by Indian generals about economy. You're arguing about jet engines def tech America shares. Americans are in fact pushing sales of their planes and India is constantly been averse to it. If we dropped S400 we could've had F35 flying. But is that a major talking point? No. We hardly hear about these American MIC talks. You like to believe we are losing sleep over what Pakistan is doing but you don't even occupy even 10% of our news cycle. You on the other hand is constantly reading into what that 10% say and extrapolate it to the rest 90%.

If you accept the f35 then you accept American influence directly into your military matters.

This is a predicament.

I don't know whether the national idea of f-35 purchases compensates for not getting American engines for your tejas, that's a pretty big impediment


How can Pakistan not be dominating your news cycle when apparently operation whatever is still open, in fact have you stopped talking about the said operation.

Your main English speaking outlets can't help but mention Pakistan

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

that they gave India certain soft treatment, the Russian oil imports being an example.

It is a myth that West did India a favour by allowing it to import Russian oil. A myth which is propagated by Indophobes (to portray IND in a bad light) and by bhakts (to portray ModiGee as a stronk leader)

Oil prices had crept up following the post Covid recovery and then shot up with the Ukraine War. To completely shut off Russian oil would have meant oil prices wreaking havoc. That is why the West was compelled to allow IND and PRC even more to import Russian oil.

As far as S-400 goes, West had nothing comparable to sell to IND at the same price, so they had to allow IND to import S400. By the way even Turkey has S400 so I am not sure what is your point.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

that they gave India certain soft treatment, the Russian oil imports being an example.

It is a myth that West did India a favour by allowing it to import Russian oil. A myth which is propagated by Indophobes (to portray IND in a bad light) and by bhakts (to portray ModiGee as a stronk leader)

Oil prices had crept up following the post Covid recovery and then shot up with the Ukraine War. To completely shut off Russian oil would have meant oil prices wreaking havoc. That is why the West was compelled to allow IND and PRC even more to import Russian oil.

As far as S-400 goes, West had nothing comparable to sell to IND at the same price, so they had to allow IND to import S400. By the way even Turkey has S400 so I am not sure what is your point.

Regards

Again this is a matter of perception, and I agree with you it can be perceived as a bad faith sentiment to suddenly find fault.

However, they gave India a free run at Russian oil, did not exactly raise it too much, that is relative altruism, it was a willful choice but then they pulled the carpet from India's feet.

Now you could argue that India purchasing Russian oil in the context of their invasion is not a neutral act, it is supporting the Russian economy, in that light India is supporting the enemy and therefore it is appropriate to penalize India. This is the other side's perception I am outlining.

If you retort that you could buy whoever's oil you please then of course this is a collision, let's also remember that India did reduce Iranian purchases


Turkey got a much tougher time with the s400 purchase, relatively speaking India got away no issues.

It is an issue of differing perceptions of what is fair or just or permissible

 

[Thinking]

I outperformes the stocks, mine are 19% up since last year. But from my point, Indian stocks been overvalued especially during COVID. It's good we are back down from cloud 9.

PE is still high! Good thing economy is catching upto market.

P.S: I missed on few things last year. Been a mixed bag.

 

[Vkdindian1]

But last year you already had a huge economic gap with Pakistan yet the military outcome nowhere near reflected the economic disparity, so what exactly is your delusion on economic growth without credible military abilities.

I do credit Pakistan for landing a punch much higher than it’s weight class. Indian military might is dragged down by myriad procurement and poor planning. You were lucky that it was a skirmish and not a war. If 10th May was any indication, you were folding at a fast rate.

Moreover, if you start thinking that a skirmish has made you a peer of India military, then that would be delusion. Probably, you would counter with “world thinking differently”, but that is ISPR narrative and not any world view.

Military affairs really are quite Central to things happening in the world right now

This could have been said any time of the history and is least applicable at these times. Remember that the world was under a Cold War for better part of this century and two World Wars before that. These are the times of economy more and military less.

Many people like you, try to spin this theory to justify your existence as a security state. Nothing more than delusion.

Note - Indian nominal GDP is likely to be revised up by 2 % for the current financial year. Any views on that? Tariffs don’t seem to be cutting in the way you have been hoping.

 

[r3alist]

You were lucky that it was a skirmish and not a war. If 10th May was any indication, you were folding at a fast rate.

Then why did you stop?
If war was on the cards then let's put away the whole anti-terrorism narrative in the bin.

You talk as if Pakistan did not have its own responses prepared.

Moreover, if you start thinking that a skirmish has made you a peer of India military, then that would be delusion

It's your own side which considers Pakistan a peer.

Note - Indian nominal GDP is likely to be revised up by 2 % for the current financial year. Any views on that?

Yeah I do, have you not seen the Bloomberg story on notes of caution and skepticism around published figures? You could of course publish what you want, but I understand investors are taking their money out of Indian markets.

So carry on suggesting this, only for the contradictions to unravel in time

Many people like you, try to spin this theory to justify your existence as a security state. Nothing more than delusion.

This is a fair point, and I don't necessarily endorse the security provider direction, and I don't also endorse it over having a good economy like India, and I don't even need the example of Pakistan to to state that you need real hard power which contributes to your overall security and power projection. It's just that you cannot help but essentialize and reduce anything you perceive as a Pakistani point of view

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

Now you could argue that India purchasing Russian oil in the context of their invasion is not a neutral act, it is supporting the Russian economy, in that light India is supporting the enemy and therefore it is appropriate to penalize India.

Well USA was purchasing Russian uranium till 2024. Should USA then have penalised USA as it was supporting the enemy economy?

China was purchasing Russian oil and gas. Should USA have penalised PRC as it was supporting the enemy economy?

Regards

 

[Vkdindian1]

Then why did you stop?

It has been answered amply. You don’t want to understand since you have been taught a narrative.
For the last time - India didn’t want a full war. If it did want, then, it wouldn’t have been 11 non-military targets on day one. It would have been 10th May at a mass scale. I hope you get it this time.

You talk as if Pakistan did not have its own responses prepared.

Why didn’t it exercise them? I see a lot of coping, India used its best missile. What were yours kept for?

So carry on suggesting this, only for the contradictions to unravel in time

You have been hoping like hell for that since 27 Aug when Trump announced the tariffs. If you don’t get the memo about FDI coming into India then that’s my bad. I will ask the PM to route them via you.

You have said your piece and I have mine since same points are being recycled.
May I suggest a little hiatus till you one up something worthwhile?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

And by the way, there was no sanction on purchasing Russian oil. Only thing is a price cap was imposed, which was adhered to by IND and PRC. Much of that Russian oil refined by Indians was exported to EU and hold your breathe Ukraine itself!

Incidentally, no one prevented PAK from purchasing Russian oil either.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

It has been answered amply. You don’t want to understand since you have been taught a narrative.
For the last time - India didn’t want a full war. If it did want, then, it wouldn’t have been 11 non-military targets on day one. It would have been 10th May at a mass scale. I hope you get it this time.


Why didn’t it exercise them? I see a lot of coping, India used its best missile. What were yours kept for?


You have been hoping like hell for that since 27 Aug when Trump announced the tariffs. If you don’t get the memo about FDI coming into India then that’s my bad. I will ask the PM to route them via you.

You have said your piece and I have mine since same points are being recycled.
May I suggest a little hiatus till you one up something worthwhile?

At the risk of going around in circles, I will only say that I have no hope on the Indian economy, you Indians really need to stop trying to put people into categories, as if you can claim to know someone's thoughts.

The point on the economy is coming from mainline new sources, you just cannot stomach any scrutiny

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

Now you could argue that India purchasing Russian oil in the context of their invasion is not a neutral act, it is supporting the Russian economy, in that light India is supporting the enemy and therefore it is appropriate to penalize India.

Well USA was purchasing Russian uranium till 2024. Should USA then have penalised USA as it was supporting the enemy economy?

China was purchasing Russian oil and gas. Should USA have penalised PRC as it was supporting the enemy economy?

Regards

Well if you suppose you can benchmark yourself to what America does then this is a losing hand

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

Well if you suppose you can benchmark yourself to what America does then this is a losing hand

But you can benchmark PAK to IND, right? Neither of us have a seat on the high table. What stopped you from buying Russian oil? After all there was no ban on purchasing Russian oil as long as the price cap was adhered to.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

Well if you suppose you can benchmark yourself to what America does then this is a losing hand

But you can benchmark PAK to IND, right? Neither of us have a seat on the high table. What stopped you from buying Russian oil? After all there was no ban on purchasing Russian oil as long as the price cap was adhered to.

Regards

This logic never goes anywhere, I did not give a value judgment on Indian purchasing of oil.
The point is, as both Nations are fully aware, the USA will decide it's own rules as it pleases.

Did India do the right thing purchasing, yes it seems like a no brainer.

Was there downstream risk that it might no longer be deemed acceptable, clearly yes.

So maybe India should have adjusted sooner because apparently they have reduced their purchases anyway.

I don't think there are any takers for the Indian line that they can somehow pursue economic interests devoid of geopolitical alignments and just state that it's in our interest.

And it's not as if you did not stop Iranian oil purchase so as not to offend other nations.

So what's with this performative outrage

 

[Vikramaditya1]

How can Pakistan not be dominating your news cycle when apparently operation whatever is still open, in fact have you stopped talking about the said operation.

Your main English speaking outlets can't help but mention Pakistan

Huh? Because you don't really affect a common man, news media is more interested in what happens locally rather than something Pakistan does. An average person hardly cares about Pakistan they got other things to worry about.
Even the English speaking outlets hardly mentions Pakistan in their daily cycle. Not that every Indian is turning to it. Their ratings are lower than local news media.

 

[ihussain]

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