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[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

If we are looking at stability, it might be useful to look at the following:

1. The growth and volatility in GDP
2. CAD position- is the CAD, if any, getting more or less balanced by FII/FDI, with the result that the Forex Debt/GDP remaining stable.
3. BOP- Are they consistently adequate to cover at least 6 months imports.
4. Fiscal deficit/Govt debt- Is the govt debt to GDP remaining more or less stable across years?

Regards

Ok yes you are referring to national balance sheet health, and I would agree with all your points.

And this is an interesting dichotomy, what India is, aspects of its polity are competently functioning and merit peer comparison away from the third world, which is a credit and evolution. But then there's the rest who have moved sideways or not much. The particular nationalists we have on this forum are still very Western Framed, and subsequently focus on development and investment stories linked to the west, as if the rest of the nation doesn't exist.
that is not representative development .

Also refer you to the issue of water resource scarcity and climate change.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

Yes indeed. We need to look at only financial stability but also social, environmental and human resources stability. Unfortunately, I have little expertise in these areas.

Since specifically you mentioned water availability here is the WB indicator:

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

In cu metres/person

IND- 1014
BD- 620
PAK-226
ISRAEL-80

World average is 5400.

As you can see from the above, while all of us are challenged, ISR manages with even 80 cum because it manages that limited water well.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

Water scarcity - https://icfs.org.uk/the-looming-wat... of 1.4,economic ambitions could be paralyzed.
EPI RATING
But just look at individual scores as well not just the headline number

2024 Environmental Performance Index - India

2024 Environmental Performance Index - India

epi.yale.edu

Incoming inequality, do I really need to provide anything?

Most of your economic data prioritizes expenditure over income. This gives a generous perspective on the gini, do you really think the gap has decreased between rich and poor?

Aside from the above, I'm not trolling, resource scarcity is a real regional concern plus global warming

@r3alist bro

Yes indeed. We need to look at only financial stability but also social, environmental and human resources stability. Unfortunately, I have little expertise in these areas.

Since specifically you mentioned water availability here is the WB indicator:

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

In cu metres/person

IND- 1014
BD- 620
PAK-226
ISRAEL-80

World average is 5400.

As you can see from the above, while all of us are challenged, ISR manages with even 80 cum because it manages that limited water well.

Regards

I refer you to my prior post.

 

[Thinking]

Wtf..This was about tariff? Why are you guys debating nonsense?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

I refer you to my prior post.

You are correct again. India is a deeply unequal society and a very large section of the population doesn't share equitably in the growth. While conventional poverty statistics show that a very substantial chunk of the population is lifted out of poverty (which is true and not faked), what they fail to show is that they are hovering just a tad above poverty levels. They are one d (death, disability, disaster, divorce, debt) above slipping back into poverty. There is little prospect of them graduating into the real middle class.

@Thinking

While the posts being exchanged by r3alist, me and some others here don't strictly pertain to Indo-US tariffs they do pertain to India's economy. It would be sad if we are to be very strict and straight jacketed. Nonetheless if the moderators feel, they can shift these posts to the general economy thread.

Regards

@Krptonite @Fatman17

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

I refer you to my prior post.

You are correct again. India is a deeply unequal society and a very large section of the population doesn't share equitably in the growth. While conventional poverty statistics show that a very substantial chunk of the population is lifted out of poverty (which is true and not faked), what they fail to show is that they are hovering just a tad above poverty levels. They are one d (death, disability, disaster, divorce, debt) above slipping back into poverty. There is little prospect of them graduating into the real middle class.

@Thinking

While the posts being exchanged by r3alist, me and some others here don't strictly pertain to Indo-US tariffs they do pertain to India's economy. It would be sad if we are to be very strict and straight jacketed. Nonetheless if the moderators feel, they can shift these posts to the general economy thread.

Regards

@Krptonite @Fatman17

I was referring to the water issues and water management.

This is projected to affect your agriculture, if you look at the projections

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

This is projected to affect your agriculture, if you look at the projections

Yes, it will. But it need not. We use several times more units of water per unit production than developed countries do, especially Israel the undisputed leader in this. Water harvesting, better choice of crops and cropping techniques are more than sufficient for IND (and PAK/BD as well) to cope.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

This is projected to affect your agriculture, if you look at the projections

Yes, it will. But it need not. We use several times more units of water per unit production than developed countries do, especially Israel the undisputed leader in this. Water harvesting, better choice of crops and cropping techniques are more than sufficient for IND (and PAK/BD as well) to cope.

Regards

That's the spirit, I respect the optimism

 

[r3alist]

Wtf..This was about tariff? Why are you guys debating nonsense?

You should apply for the next round of mod vacancies.

 

[Owaiz]

Yes, you are so right.

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Yes, unlike the spineless rulers who have been imposed upon the Pakistani people that completely and immediately surrendered to all American demands, the Indian government is fighting for Indian farmers and is refusing to allow unrestricted duty-free import of American farm produce that will destroy small farmers in Pakistan.

 

[Owaiz]

Quite a disparate group of individuals you have mentioned here, lumping them together arbitrarily. Makes me wonder if you actually have a clue what you're talking about or are just interested in proving your own c.v. credentials.

Couldn't care any less about your opinion, but there is nothing arbitrary about listing the few international leaders who are standing up to Trump's bullying. There are a few more, but those are the ones representing some of the major countries that are refusing to be American poodles.

 

[Master Chief]

Couldn't care any less about your opinion, but there is nothing arbitrary about listing the few international leaders who are standing up to Trump's bullying. There are a few more, but those are the ones representing some of the major countries that are refusing to be American poodles.

Please provide evidence that Trump is bullying Pakistan by imposing a 19% tariff on imported goods while imposing a 50% tariff on most Indian imported goods.

Please also explain to our discerning viewership how exactly the enforcement of India's Reliance oil refineries into rejection of Russian oil imports is evidence of India "standing up" to Trump.

The facts on the ground would suggest that India has made concessions to USA and Europe because of its relationship with Russia. This is the very definition of being bullied into a corner.

You are a simple Hindustani hack/shill Mr Owaiz. We don't mind hosting Hindustani hacks and gladly enjoy the interaction all day long but why would you disguise your intentions?

Are Indian forum goers deploying their own "shadow fleet" of false flagged trolls to PDF now?

 

[Thinking]

India's Russian crude oil imports jump to five-month high in November

India's imports of Russian crude oil surged 4% in November to a five-month high of €2.6 billion, making it the second-largest buyer behind China. Refined fuels produced from this crude were significantly exported to Australia, with Jamnagar refinery's shipments to the country increasing by 69%.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

On oil front...

 

[Owaiz]

Please provide evidence that Trump is bullying Pakistan by imposing a 19% tariff on imported goods while imposing a 50% tariff on most Indian imported goods.

Please also explain to our discerning viewership how exactly the enforcement of India's Reliance oil refineries into rejection of Russian oil imports is evidence of India "standing up" to Trump.

The facts on the ground would suggest that India has made concessions to USA and Europe because of its relationship with Russia. This is the very definition of being bullied into a corner.

You are a simple Hindustani hack/shill Mr Owaiz. We don't mind hosting Hindustani hacks and gladly enjoy the interaction all day long but why would you disguise your intentions?

Are Indian forum goers deploying their own "shadow fleet" of false flagged trolls to PDF now?

Mr Master Chief Janab,

My arguments stand on their own merits , so unlike Patwaris and Faujistanis I dont have to resort to ad hominem attacks.

I didnt say Trump bullied Pakistan into the trade deal. That would have first required some backbone on the part of the regime that has been imposed. They simply surrendered without even the semblance of a fight. The evidence is the commitment to remove all import duties on virtually all American products in the next budget, which will leave small farmers unable to compete against the economies of scale that American farms of thousands of acres have.

The country that faced by far the highest tariffs is China and they have negotiated a deal , while still facing very high, though lowered, tariffs. People like you would say they too have been bullied by Trump because they made some concessions like allowing the forced sale of Tiktok or agreeing to buy more US farm produce, but, in my opinion, they NEGOTIATED a better deal in their national interest, unlike Pakistan which surrendered to all demands without having anything concrete to show for it. India is similarly negotiating a deal in their national interest and , as in every negotiation, both sides will make concessions. The Indians government doesnt depend on Washington's approval for its survival, so it can place the interests of its farmers at the forefront and resist American demands, unlike the illegitimate regime in Pakistan, which knows it will collapse , for example, if Trump supports the Pakistan Democracy Act and so has no leverage except to follow orders coming from Centcom, Langlely, the White House and even from Trump's personal buddies who are facilitating side business deals. Despite 50% tariffs on India and 19% on Pakistan, American companies are investing hundreds of billions of dollars in India and Pakistan has nothing to show for it except some piddly MOUs or US Exim Bank loans that are going to be secured by sovereign guarantees and could well become another albatross around the nation's neck like the CPEC IPPs the Patwaris signed in the past.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Owais sb

To tell you the truth, I am extremely worried about the Indo-US trade negotiations for the same reasons that you are for Pakistan. Indian farming sector will be devastated if the sector is opened up to US dairy and grains imports. Pakistan has a much smaller population and much lower % of people in farming than India. India has almost 50% population of 1.5 bn dependent on agri or about 750 million. Pak has about 250 million and 30% in agri or about 75 million. An opening up of Indian farm sector will have a 10X bigger impact in purely human terms than for Pak. The social fallout of it will be horrible. Whatever little extra export we may make because of waiver of US duty isn't worth it.

I would prefer to have a 50% import duty and save our farmers even though personally it is a negative situation for me. My fear is that the Govt of India may succumb, I hope and pray that they don't.

Regards