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[El Sidd]

India is not going to make America great again. Period. India has gutted out large sections of the USAs middle class economy that has led to the demise of the USA. India is the problem, it is not part of the solution.

By that logic the Indian state and Indians are benefitting from all over the world's conflict. No one wants to write about India's exploitation of Africa nor would one talk about Middle East. The rogue state employs terrorism as arms of foreign policy if not the slave trade. But that would be from a Pakistanis perspective, the world is yet to mature itself of the Indian menace. A colonial legacy of a mob masquerading as a nation, a symbol of piracy and perversion.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Lol. We are not talking about a military dictatorship where people can just be picked up in Vigos and told what to do. The US President has no authority to order individual companies on how to conduct their businesses. He can place immigration restrictions but they have to be reasonable . His ban on entry of people from Muslim countries was thrown out by the court in his first term. Tariffs are easy to collect, but even those who have been stuck down by courts. Even assuming Trump became the absolute dictator and Emperor of the US and gave such an order, how will it be enforced. Will ICE agents scrutinize every office computer in the US to make sure it doesn't contain outsourced work or will they raid offices in Bangalore to stop illegal outsourcing . The US cant even stop millions of illegals coming into their country physically despite hundreds of billions being spent on it.

The stupidity of some people is truly incredible.

You are living in delulu land. Once Trump sanction India, American companies cannot do anything to bypass that. They are not crimnal entities like scam call centers.

Even a hint of sanction on IT have spooked Indians. Modi is clutching at straws now. The arrogance of few months ago is gone. Surrender is inevitable.

 

[Rationale]

You are living in delulu land. Once Trump sanction India, American companies cannot do anything to bypass that. They are not crimnal entities like scam call centers.

Even a hint of sanction on IT have spooked Indians. Modi is clutching at straws now. The arrogance of few months ago is gone. Surrender is inevitable.

How many companies have you worked for in the US and how many Americans and H1Bs have you hired there ? When companies like Nvidia or Meta can't hire the people they want in the US because of H1B restrictions , they simply hire them in India - which is worse for the US economy. If Trump orders Nvidia and Meta to not hire them in India either, for which he has no legal authority, they will be hired by non-US competitors of these companies , which is also a worse outcome for the US economy.

You seem to have absolutely no idea about how hiring in the US and India in the tech industry is actually done and what the consequences of disturbing the existing structure will be on the American economy and the competitiveness of American companies. For some reason you are harboring an idiotic notion that the existing system is some sort of favour or charity the US is doing towards India. The reason that things are the way they are is because it is in the best interest of American companies.

 

[Rationale]

India has gutted out large sections of the USAs middle class economy that has led to the demise of the USA.

You seem to be smarter and better informed than most of the Pakistani members here , but that statement is absolutely ridiculous . India has absolutely no agency in what is happening or has happened. All the decision making power is the hand of the US government and American companies. Your statement is as idiotic as blaming China for American companies deciding to offshore manufacturing jobs to China. The global economy works on the basis of relative competitive advantage. If American companies are forced to stop employing the best people they can still the lowest possible cost, they will just be out-competed by European, Chinese and Indian companies who do not suffer from similar restrictions.

America has benefited immensely from access to India's technical talent base, even if individual Americans who could not compete in a free labour market have suffered. America can hardly force others to open its markets in the name of free markets and free trade and be protectionist itself.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

How many companies have you worked for in the US and how many Americans and H1Bs have you hired there ? When companies like Nvidia or Meta can't hire the people they want in the US because of H1B restrictions , they simply hire them in India - which is worse for the US economy. If Trump orders Nvidia and Meta to not hire them in India either, for which he has no legal authority, they will be hired by non-US competitors of these companies , which is also a worse outcome for the US economy.

You seem to have absolutely no idea about how hiring in the US and India in the tech industry is actually done and what the consequences of disturbing the existing structure will be on the American economy and the competitiveness of American companies. For some reason you are harboring an idiotic notion that the existing system is some sort of favour or charity the US is doing towards India. The reason that things are the way they are is because it is in the best interest of American companies.

Indian companies are rattled. With more then 60% IT exports going to USA alone. But why worry when Trump can do nothing? What do these companies know that PDF experts dont?

 

[Rationale]

https://www.firstpost.com/world/india-eu-expedite-fta-talks-amid-trump-tariff-disruptions-european-team-in-new-delhi-this-week-13931696.html/amp

Meanwhile , India and EU are expediting their deal.

 

[Rationale]

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Indian companies are rattled. With more then 60% IT exports going to USA alone. But why worry when Trump can do nothing? What do these companies know that PDF experts dont?

Wtf does "US may Outsource Levy with Biz" even mean ? Most of what is published in media is clueless speculation. The article doesn't actually quote any Indian executive who exports to the US. It is just senseless gibberish.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Trump and his team, mainly Navarro were expecting India to capitulate. I was expecting a little backtracking by Modi and co, but am impressed with how they have taken on this coercion by the US.
This Al Jazeera program brings out many facets of this whole Russian oil thing. Trump singling out India in this aspect did appear a little high handed. The numbers clearly show who buys how much. Jump to 16:35 to get an idea about the share of Russian oil and gas to different parts of the world. There is a bit about Pakistan too in this quagmire. Jump to 21:19 to get that bit.

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[Vikramaditya1]

If this goes through India will be sent back to the 1990s.

No, The 1890s....

The entire US India trade is 10-15%. But Pakistanis here hoping India will be down to their level lmao.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The global economy works on the basis of relative competitive advantage. If American companies are forced to stop employing the best people they can still the lowest possible cost, they will just be out-competed by European, Chinese and Indian companies who do not suffer from similar restrictions.

The assertion that Indians are the best people is absurd. At most, all people are

America has benefited immensely from access to India's technical talent base, even if individual Americans who could not compete in a free labour market have suffered.

It is not a level playing field that the Americans are now asking to b rolled back. If a Indian is imported into the USA on a H1B visa, who will get paid half of what an American is doing that job for or to directly replace a role in the USA by "being in the USA", that is not "competitive", that is salary arbitrage.

If a role is moved to India, that is one thing that most people understand. We have seen large scale outsourcing of manufacturing to places like China, and yes some people are upset about that but that is the reality of globalisation. But, as you say, that is completive in nature. If a role is moved to India to be done cheaper, then that is "competitive".

However, bringing in a H1B visa holder to the USA, so that you can fire a local person and have the H1B visa holder do the same job in the USA permanently is not competitive.

Having free labour movement is related to temporary movement of professionals, that is not the same as bringing in people permanently on a H1B visa to do that same job, with a view that visa holder can then apply for a green card and become a permanent citizen. Additionally, if there was such a "large skills" gap, then we would not see such large scale redundancies of local people we are seeing.

America can hardly force others to open its markets in the name of free markets and free trade and be protectionist itself.

Illogical statement, free markets of chasing where to do it the cheapest is fine, outsourcing projects to India is competitive and fine, as is manufacturing to China. That is the model that America has promoted. What the India model does, which is not fine, is asking to move people permanently to other countries, displacing local people. That model is not fine and what people are rebelling against.

Free markets are about products, and services access, not people transfer to displace local people.

 

[Rationale]

The assertion that Indians are the best people

I never said that, only that banning H1Bs will prevent American companies from hiring the most talented people in the world who are not American citizens. What is absurd is the implication that Americans are more talented than any foreigners.

Americans are now asking to b rolled back

Almost all American companies support high skill immigration. Most American citizens who have benefited from globalisation and immigration do the same. It is only people who had inadequate skills to compete and those who are xenophobic and/or racist who are opposed to it

If a Indian is imported into the USA on a H1B visa, who will get paid half of what an American is doing that job for or to directly replace a role in the USA by "being in the USA", that is not "competitive", that is salary arbitrage.

Except that is not what happens. H1Bs generally cost employers more and, more importantly, require a lot more paperwork headache. Most top American employers used to be indifferent between hiring H1Bs and those who don't need visa sponsorship , but, increasingly, they prefer to hire locals unless the foreigners is clearly better in order to avoid the extra cost and headache.

 

[A1Kaid]

Trump can reduce the H1Bs visa from hundreds of thousands to 10's of thousands for sure, and that will help the local labour market in the USA for sure. He can insist that all existing H1Bs visa holders will have their visa's cancelled within 12months or so, giving time for USA companies to work around the issue.

He cannot easily mandate that jobs that were relocated to India, be bought back to the USA, that problem will take decades to fix.

The restrictions on H1B will however massively "stem" the flow of jobs to India, as often the H1B visas are the vanguard effort, used to gain knowledge of systems that companies were planning to move to India.

The middle class are the backbone of every country and economy, and when you start gutting out the Middle class by moving large number of IT jobs to low cost countries, you are actually destroying a significant pillar of your own economy in the process. Maybe the USA has finally woken up to this fact ?

He can ban outsourcing.

 

[PakFactor]

He can ban outsourcing.

If he wants to kill the U.S. economy and increase the cost of products and services for the average American, sure, but I don’t believe Trump is that big a moron.

 

[Fatman17]

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[A1Kaid]

If he wants to kill the U.S. economy and increase the cost of products and services for the average American, sure, but I don’t believe Trump is that big a moron.

It won’t kill things, it will result in economic boom, lower cost of living with more homes, less traffic, more economic opportunities.