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[reader2026]

Jeets invent all sorts of things to avoid saying they lost some jets

 

[Ak01]

Flankers have been in service since 2004
They scheduled to be replaced. In phased manner from 2045 with the oldest airframes or those with most flight hours first
So that's 40 years maybe even 2040 IE 35 years

The replacement Aircraft
Amca mark 1 2040 to 2045 40-80 planes
Amca mark 2 2045 to 2060 120 planes

This could change and Su57mki could also replace some earlier flankers in 2035 but only if the current su57 gets the promised new fifth generation engine airframe enhance rear flat seated nozzles for big Stealth reduction

In which case some combine Su57mki and Amca numbers of 300 planes will replace the entire su30mki from 2040/2050

This is well documented tbh

service lives have a calender life, and a hourly.

whats the hourly.

Let me help you- https://www.key.aero/article/all-yo...u-35's empty weight,1,500 hours and ten years.

6000h for th SU-35, probably far less for the MKI

The f-16 has a service life 3x that.

 

[harpy1]

service lives have a calender life, and a hourly.

whats the hourly.

Let me help you- https://www.key.aero/article/all-you-need-know-about-sukhoi-su-35-flanker-e#:~:text=The Su-35's empty weight,1,500 hours and ten years.

6000h for th SU-35, probably far less for the MKI

The f-16 has a service life 3x that.

India pilots fly 150/200 hours per year so that's spot on 2005-2045 entry of Amca and Su57

As for F16 if you want to fly them for 100 years be my guest

 

[Ak01]

India pilots fly 150/200 hours per year so that's spot on 2005-2045 entry of Amca and Su57

As for F16 if you want to fly them for 100 years be my guest

sounds like jeetopedia was wrong then.


And even 100 years down the line, you will still be dreaming about one day shooting one down. The falcon has haunted your kind from the day it was inducted to today. Falcons reign supreme!

 

[Oscar]

India pilots fly 150/200 hours per year so that's spot on 2005-2045 entry of Amca and Su57

As for F16 if you want to fly them for 100 years be my guest

You belong with Kash Patel in terms of Indian providing evidence they too have very stupid people among them.

assumes Su-30MKIs will hum along at 150-200 flawless hours until AMCA and Su-57 magically drop in 2045 like dominos 30 minutes or free while ignoring CAG reports screaming about 55% serviceability, engine failures every other Tuesday, repeated airframe losses and brake failures and airframes wheezing toward 6,000 hours.

F-16s outlive Flankers cuz PAF doesn’t treat maintenance like temu and instead keeps even airframes with JDAM damage flying while you cannot even refurbish 40 odd pilot super sukhoi airframes without write ups 2 pages long.

Stick to your IAF absurd claims and leave PAF out of your keyboard smashing or you will be out of this forum permanently

 

[harpy1]

You belong with Kash Patel in terms of Indian providing evidence they too have very stupid people among them.

assumes Su-30MKIs will hum along at 150-200 flawless hours until AMCA and Su-57 magically drop in 2045 like dominos 30 minutes or free while ignoring CAG reports screaming about 55% serviceability, engine failures every other Tuesday, repeated airframe losses and brake failures and airframes wheezing toward 6,000 hours.

F-16s outlive Flankers cuz PAF doesn’t treat maintenance like temu and instead keeps even airframes with JDAM damage flying while you cannot even refurbish 40 odd pilot super sukhoi airframes without write ups 2 pages long.

Stick to your IAF absurd claims and leave PAF out of your keyboard smashing or you will be out of this forum permanently

I see my post above ruffled feathers
It was genuine response to stated aims of the Indian military

I repeat
Su30mki came 15 years after your falcons which came 1990

The last su30mki was only six years ago

They are far newer airframes and newer engines

India had the eco system to service and maintain this enormous fleet and is doing so as well other foreign operators at nasik
India can maintain the fleet in house unlike your F16 fleet you need USA Turkey etc

The jibe about humming along was inaccurate there is no humming along with anything

The plan is clear and stated
Partial numbers to be upgraded to super Mki
Partial numbers to be replacement by Amca
Or
Partial replacement by Su57mki with the next version of Su57 being the preferred choice If Amca is delayed

Su30mki will remain fleet fighter but the peak numbers will fall gradually over next decade from

270 to about half that many by 2040-2045

There was nothing warranting a extreme threat of permanent ban this plan is openly available on the internet

 

[Ak01]

They are far newer airframes and newer engines

with poorer metallurgy. Which is why its meaningless. Bangladesh bought new F7's in 2012.

India had the eco system to service and maintain this enormous fleet and is doing so as well other foreign operators at nasik
India can maintain the fleet in house unlike your F16 fleet you need USA Turkey etc

can you tell me the last time a PAF F-16 flew over to the US or Turkey for maintenence?



do you think this got better...or worse with the war in Russia? I know what im hedging my bets on.

Why, if they had the ecosystem was availability so poor?

The plan is clear and stated

Indians love making plans, not so much executing them. Plans are all you ever have to show.

270 to about half that many by 2040-2045

great, yet their replacement is still in theory... sounds like dwindling numbers and cope... the usual combo!

 

[NeptunesVortex]

Your fixed wing transport fleet barely flies and your fighters aren’t any better.
During the Karachi floods you scraped together 70 HADR sorties over months… the IAF casually pumped out 350 in a single week. That alone should’ve ended the debate. Your Mirage 3/5 fleet is basically on life support, barely clocking 80 hours a year. Your JF-17s? What 120 annually? That’s literally below MiG-21 Bison levels. Meanwhile, Su-30MKIs are out here doing 240 hours on average. Your entire fixed wing transport fleet is what 20 aircraft? You’re comparing that to a 250+ aircraft force and acting surprised you lose fewer airframes? Congrats on flying less and calling it safety. Now normalize it per flight hours and the whole illusion collapses instantly. IAF runs global HADR ops, logistics chains, deployments and exercises at a tempo your force can’t even simulate. There’s a reason you guys quietly stopped publishing flight hour data. after the early 2000s because BRF pulled receipts and absolutely bodied that narrative. When crash rates were actually compared per 1 lakh flying hours, it came out to 0.4 for PAF vs 0.02 for IAF. And let’s not even get started on airframe fatigue. Su-30MKIs comfortably pulling 240 hours annually while your JF-17 Block 1s doing sub 180 are already staring at end of life in the next 5 years and will need life extension just to stay relevant. Saaar, you don’t even release flight hour data you’re not in a race about records, saaar.

 

[LX1111]

You pakistanis will get absolutely mogged the moment flight hours enter the chat. Your fixed wing transport fleet barely flies and your fighters aren’t any better.
During the Karachi floods you scraped together 70 HADR sorties over months… the IAF casually pumped out 350 in a single week. That alone should’ve ended the debate. Your Mirage 3/5 fleet is basically on life support, barely clocking 80 hours a year. Your JF-17s? What 120 annually? That’s literally below MiG-21 Bison levels. Meanwhile, Su-30MKIs are out here doing 240 hours on average. Your entire fixed wing transport fleet is what 20 aircraft? You’re comparing that to a 250+ aircraft force and acting surprised you lose fewer airframes? Congrats on flying less and calling it safety. Now normalize it per flight hours and the whole illusion collapses instantly. IAF runs global HADR ops, logistics chains, deployments and exercises at a tempo your force can’t even simulate. There’s a reason you guys quietly stopped publishing flight hour data. after the early 2000s because BRF pulled receipts and absolutely bodied that narrative. When crash rates were actually compared per 1 lakh flying hours, it came out to 0.4 for PAF vs 0.02 for IAF. And let’s not even get started on airframe fatigue. Su-30MKIs comfortably pulling 240 hours annually while your JF-17 Block 1s doing sub 180 are already staring at end of life in the next 5 years and will need life extension just to stay relevant. Saaar, you don’t even release flight hour data you’re not in a race about records, saaar.
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This forum is truly very tolerant. If I had spoken in such a tone on the Indian military forum, I would have been banned long ago.

 

[Corax]

Your fixed wing transport fleet barely flies and your fighters aren’t any better.
During the Karachi floods you scraped together 70 HADR sorties over months… the IAF casually pumped out 350 in a single week. That alone should’ve ended the debate. Your Mirage 3/5 fleet is basically on life support, barely clocking 80 hours a year. Your JF-17s? What 120 annually? That’s literally below MiG-21 Bison levels. Meanwhile, Su-30MKIs are out here doing 240 hours on average. Your entire fixed wing transport fleet is what 20 aircraft? You’re comparing that to a 250+ aircraft force and acting surprised you lose fewer airframes? Congrats on flying less and calling it safety. Now normalize it per flight hours and the whole illusion collapses instantly. IAF runs global HADR ops, logistics chains, deployments and exercises at a tempo your force can’t even simulate. There’s a reason you guys quietly stopped publishing flight hour data. after the early 2000s because BRF pulled receipts and absolutely bodied that narrative. When crash rates were actually compared per 1 lakh flying hours, it came out to 0.4 for PAF vs 0.02 for IAF. And let’s not even get started on airframe fatigue. Su-30MKIs comfortably pulling 240 hours annually while your JF-17 Block 1s doing sub 180 are already staring at end of life in the next 5 years and will need life extension just to stay relevant. Saaar, you don’t even release flight hour data you’re not in a race about records, saaar.
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Apparently all those fight hours didn't help your air force though did it?! On the one hand you claim the PAF don't publish flight hours, but on the other hand you personally know what each and every aircraft flight hours are in the PAF?! Maybe go stick to writing long essays about your supa dupa anti ship missile lol

 

[Corax]

We broke exactly what matters and left you figuring it out. You don’t demolish military infrastructure unless it's beyond economical repair or compromised.
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Something very important was there and it got hit

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If a strike happened in the first place, then deterrence had already been penetrated.
You can’t call restored deterrence a victory condition fulfilled when the thing deterrence was supposed to prevent already occurred.

Look at this satellite pic. The most amazing part is identifying the right target. Having that intelligence all along is incredible. Striking from 100s of kms away, bypassing ADS and hitting two C2 trucks with pinpoint accuracy this is seriously impressive. If an air force can reliably find and hit small, high value nodes at range,then mobility and concealment alone stop being enough for survival.
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No, he said it was damaged, not destroyed. But why stop at only 1 claimed Saab Erieye destroyed? Your ACM claimed at least two Erieyes destroyed and 6 Vipers destroyed by your S400 lol

 

[NeptunesVortex]

No, he said it was damaged, not destroyed. But why stop at only 1 claimed Saab Erieye destroyed?

Aircraft airframes are built for aerodynamic loads with defined limit and ultimate load factors (1.5× safety margin). They are not built to handle blast overpressure or fragmentation. A 300 kg class warhead detonating inside a hangar will generate high overpressure, reflected blast waves and shrapnel which can destroy the aircraft inside the hangar. In a confined space, the blast amplifies due to reflection making it far more destructive than an open air detonation. BrahMos sheer kinetic energy at impact helps with penetration as well. Even a main battle tank isn’t designed to survive a direct hit from BrahMos. Combined blast, fragmentation and impact energy would result in a catastrophic kill.

 

[harpy1]

with poorer metallurgy. Which is why its meaningless. Bangladesh bought new F7's in 2012.

can you tell me the last time a PAF F-16 flew over to the US or Turkey for maintenence?

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do you think this got better...or worse with the war in Russia? I know what im hedging my bets on.

Why, if they had the ecosystem was availability so poor?

Indians love making plans, not so much executing them. Plans are all you ever have to show.

Im.looking at Indian holistically
Nuke subs in Arabian sea
Aircraft carriers destroyers
Indian planned satalites
Brahmos
An

This forum is truly very tolerant. If I had spoken in such a tone on the Indian military forum, I would have been banned long ago.

Always new Pakistan limit flying hours to one conserve fuel and two preserve airframe life

The post is fact
Pakistan logistics fleet is tiny compared to India which is global level
The mere fact that India spends ten times annually on its military means bigger operations over vast distances and high number of sorties ..India is a continent not a country. Huge ...

with poorer metallurgy. Which is why its meaningless. Bangladesh bought new F7's in 2012.

can you tell me the last time a PAF F-16 flew over to the US or Turkey for maintenence?

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do you think this got better...or worse with the war in Russia? I know what im hedging my bets on.

Why, if they had the ecosystem was availability so poor?

Indians love making plans, not so much executing them. Plans are all you ever have to show.

great, yet their replacement is still in theory... sounds like dwindling numbers and cope... the usual combo!

Dwindling numbers of overall fleet ...yes ..this intentional the migs were obselete and unsafe ..so scrapped

The Tejas delayed but airframes ready awaiting engines..Fix on its way when USA engines get their act to get her

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Su30mki 265 massive fleet not dwindling and a sure route to their eventual replacement already focused on Amca and Su57mki possibly

 

[harpy1]

Since operation Sindoor
India has ordered the enormous successful weapons of used on huge scales

5 More regiments S400
26 marine Rafales ordered July 2025
114 Rafales deep negotiating now
Netra mark two x six
8.6 billion dollars worth . Of Israeli hypersonics and drones next generation
Are quadrupling the Akashteer anti drones systems from 100 to 400
Adding Kusha air defense to the successful Akash
Sold billions of dollars worth of Brahmos Akash Sam's and pinaka since operation Sindoor especially chinease neighbourhood

In contrast chinease arms exports fallen off cliff

You figure out people

 

[TAC]

They are junk battered airframes and original inferior engines
Mechanical radars and older Amaraams

Block A/B mostly

18 block 52 is the only half decent falcon in your inventory
I bet the other fifty or so are low sortie rate to perserve fatigued airframes
Some of them are second hand used from Jordan I hear

Bar your 20 J10c or 30 new Block 3 thunders it's obselete fleet

The su30mki is only two decades old newer airframes
Far more powerful engines
Pesa radar
Now adding Astra bvrs and R37 bvrs
Completely different age and capability
Your spinning false narritive

Our Mki starting arriving 2005

Your falcons are junk from 1980s or 1990s

And yet those ‘junk’ ‘battered airframes’ - were enough to batter and put IAF to shame as recently as 2019? Where did your mighty SU30’s go in that conflict?