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Yasser76
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These two clowns lost their credibility years ago. Forget Vishnu "I saw the shot down F-16 pics" Som and Shiv "3 jets went down in Srinagar, but I misreported" Aroor. These lies about Pakistan are expected.
The main disservice is they acted as unquestioning cheer leaders for HAL and Tejas/AMCA. Buying into every lie and reporting things were not just going well but India was "changing the game". As a result HAL and BJP were not being held to account by an independent press but by paid sychphants masquerading as journolists. Now that it can no longer be denied, even by HAL and IAF these clowns change their tune.
Quite sad the Indian public are served by this lot
ThoroughPro
Registered Member
had you seen pics of 6 slain indian soldiers before yesterday?
ThoroughPro
Registered Member
They are neither journalist nor clowns, they are part of a propaganda machine. What saddens me is to see people opting "blatant lying" as their means of earning a living? Think about it, how miserable is their existence really?
I still haven't seen pictures of 6 martyred Indian soldiers.
All I have seen are reports that India armed forces published the names of 6 soldiers who died in the conflict, where as Pakistan stated that it had lost 11 soldiers in the conflict.
Yasser76
Elite Member
' I have not seen a round earth, only reports, rest of us know earth is flat"
Lets be honest here, you are not on this forum for honest debate, but to promote Indian agendas
Your analogy does not even make sense.
Your inability to back up your claims with evidence and us not accepting your narrative at face value, makes us a flat Earther ?
ThoroughPro
Registered Member
We are respactable people with tons of self respect we honour the Pakistanis who lay their lives in defending the motherland.
What took your government to wait 13 months and 17 days to recognise them?
Yasser76
Elite Member
Funny how just a day ago you were whining on her like a bitch about the mods and how they treat you, and now trolling and posting propaganda about Pakistani soldiers.
Mods been far to lenient with you
Big_Strong_Brother_India
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Yasser76
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You are derailing this thread and posting Indian propaganda sources on here.
Musings
Administrator
Clear derailment - then he complains because i take actions.
Will now be giving the old head wobble - "dont know why i been banned" sketch......
Yasser76
Elite Member
Yasser76
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Dassault looking for partners for new 6th Gen aircraft after Germany pulls out. Sometimes it is what is left out that makes the news
July 1, 202610:51 AM GMT+1Updated 2 hours ago
The logo of French aircraft manufacturer Dassault Aviation at the 55th International Paris Airshow at Le Bourget Airport near Paris, France, June 20, 2025. REUTERS/Benoit Tessier/Pool Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab
PARIS, July 1 (Reuters) - French planemaker Dassault Aviation (AM.PA), opens new tab is open to cooperation after the collapse of a Franco-German-Spanish fighter programme, its CEO said on Wednesday, while leaving open the prospect of working with a non-European partner.
Eric Trappier was speaking in his first formal testimony since Germany and France last month scrapped a project to build a new-generation fighter following industrial disputes between Dassault and its main partner Airbus (AIR.PA), opens new tab.
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"We are capable of cooperating, we have shown it in the past, but we want to cooperate with rules that are accepted from the start," he told a French Senate committee.
Trappier said the collapse of the core fighter part of the FCAS project followed irreconcilable differences with Airbus, which has in turn blamed Dassault for the breakdown.
Asked if France could press ahead with its own fighter, as it did with the Rafale after quitting the Eurofighter in the 1980s, Trappier said, "We can do it alone, that's possible, or we can find partners. Do these partners exclusively have to be European? That's an open question."
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There has been speculation that France could turn to Swedish planemaker Saab as a potential partner or team up with a Middle East importing nation for the next generation of fighters due to budget constraints. Airbus is also courting Saab (SAABb.ST), opens new tab.
Saab was not immediately available for comment.
Trappier later mentioned Dassault's existing partnership with the UAE, saying that it was interested in finding out whether France would launch a future combat aircraft programme.
Trappier noted the potential snowball effect of larger plane designs as a result of compromises with international partners, leading to higher costs and fewer exports.
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France's need for a smaller and more agile plane capable of being deployed from carriers was blamed in part for its exit from Eurofighter and most recently, the breakdown of FCAS.
Asked about a possible "plan B" to FCAS, he replied "that's a Super Rafale, which doesn't mean we won't develop a future combat aircraft".
He added this would still cost less "than developing that massive combat aircraft that is supposedly going to fly in 2035" in an apparent reference to the now-abandoned FCAS fighter.
While Germany and France have pledged to keep alive part of the FCAS programme by continuing to develop data links between warplanes and drones or other assets, known as the "combat cloud," Trappier aimed a dig at the concept.
"A cloud is just water vapour," he said, adding that the real requirement was a comprehensive command-and-control system.
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Trappier also confirmed that Dassault's divorce with Airbus, which mainly represents Germany and Spain in military aviation, had extended to a separate European drone programme.
He accused Airbus of trying to kick Dassault out of the Eurodrone project and said discussions over the dispute were under way. Reuters reported last month that Dassault was seeking compensation from Airbus over a change in industrial workshare.
July 1, 202610:51 AM GMT+1Updated 2 hours ago
The logo of French aircraft manufacturer Dassault Aviation at the 55th International Paris Airshow at Le Bourget Airport near Paris, France, June 20, 2025. REUTERS/Benoit Tessier/Pool Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab
PARIS, July 1 (Reuters) - French planemaker Dassault Aviation (AM.PA), opens new tab is open to cooperation after the collapse of a Franco-German-Spanish fighter programme, its CEO said on Wednesday, while leaving open the prospect of working with a non-European partner.
Eric Trappier was speaking in his first formal testimony since Germany and France last month scrapped a project to build a new-generation fighter following industrial disputes between Dassault and its main partner Airbus (AIR.PA), opens new tab.
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"We are capable of cooperating, we have shown it in the past, but we want to cooperate with rules that are accepted from the start," he told a French Senate committee.
Trappier said the collapse of the core fighter part of the FCAS project followed irreconcilable differences with Airbus, which has in turn blamed Dassault for the breakdown.
Asked if France could press ahead with its own fighter, as it did with the Rafale after quitting the Eurofighter in the 1980s, Trappier said, "We can do it alone, that's possible, or we can find partners. Do these partners exclusively have to be European? That's an open question."
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There has been speculation that France could turn to Swedish planemaker Saab as a potential partner or team up with a Middle East importing nation for the next generation of fighters due to budget constraints. Airbus is also courting Saab (SAABb.ST), opens new tab.
Saab was not immediately available for comment.
Trappier later mentioned Dassault's existing partnership with the UAE, saying that it was interested in finding out whether France would launch a future combat aircraft programme.
Trappier noted the potential snowball effect of larger plane designs as a result of compromises with international partners, leading to higher costs and fewer exports.
00:24Euro zone inflation dips more than expected in JuneThe video player is currently playing an ad.
France's need for a smaller and more agile plane capable of being deployed from carriers was blamed in part for its exit from Eurofighter and most recently, the breakdown of FCAS.
Asked about a possible "plan B" to FCAS, he replied "that's a Super Rafale, which doesn't mean we won't develop a future combat aircraft".
He added this would still cost less "than developing that massive combat aircraft that is supposedly going to fly in 2035" in an apparent reference to the now-abandoned FCAS fighter.
While Germany and France have pledged to keep alive part of the FCAS programme by continuing to develop data links between warplanes and drones or other assets, known as the "combat cloud," Trappier aimed a dig at the concept.
"A cloud is just water vapour," he said, adding that the real requirement was a comprehensive command-and-control system.
Advertisement · Scroll to continue
Trappier also confirmed that Dassault's divorce with Airbus, which mainly represents Germany and Spain in military aviation, had extended to a separate European drone programme.
He accused Airbus of trying to kick Dassault out of the Eurodrone project and said discussions over the dispute were under way. Reuters reported last month that Dassault was seeking compensation from Airbus over a change in industrial workshare.
France's Dassault open to cooperation after fighter programme collapse
By Florence Loeve and Tim HepherJuly 1, 202610:51 AM GMT+1Updated 2 hours ago
The logo of French aircraft manufacturer Dassault Aviation at the 55th International Paris Airshow at Le Bourget Airport near Paris, France, June 20, 2025. REUTERS/Benoit Tessier/Pool Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab
PARIS, July 1 (Reuters) - French planemaker Dassault Aviation (AM.PA), opens new tab is open to cooperation after the collapse of a Franco-German-Spanish fighter programme, its CEO said on Wednesday, while leaving open the prospect of working with a non-European partner.
Eric Trappier was speaking in his first formal testimony since Germany and France last month scrapped a project to build a new-generation fighter following industrial disputes between Dassault and its main partner Airbus (AIR.PA), opens new tab.
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"We are capable of cooperating, we have shown it in the past, but we want to cooperate with rules that are accepted from the start," he told a French Senate committee.
Trappier said the collapse of the core fighter part of the FCAS project followed irreconcilable differences with Airbus, which has in turn blamed Dassault for the breakdown.
Asked if France could press ahead with its own fighter, as it did with the Rafale after quitting the Eurofighter in the 1980s, Trappier said, "We can do it alone, that's possible, or we can find partners. Do these partners exclusively have to be European? That's an open question."
Advertisement · Scroll to continue
There has been speculation that France could turn to Swedish planemaker Saab as a potential partner or team up with a Middle East importing nation for the next generation of fighters due to budget constraints. Airbus is also courting Saab (SAABb.ST), opens new tab.
Saab was not immediately available for comment.
Trappier later mentioned Dassault's existing partnership with the UAE, saying that it was interested in finding out whether France would launch a future combat aircraft programme.
PLAN B
"I am not saying we necessarily have the financial means to do it alone", Trappier said of a next-generation fighter jet, although "from a technical and technological standpoint, we can do it ourselves, together with our (French) partners".Trappier noted the potential snowball effect of larger plane designs as a result of compromises with international partners, leading to higher costs and fewer exports.
00:24Euro zone inflation dips more than expected in June
The video player is currently playing an ad.
France's need for a smaller and more agile plane capable of being deployed from carriers was blamed in part for its exit from Eurofighter and most recently, the breakdown of FCAS.
Asked about a possible "plan B" to FCAS, he replied "that's a Super Rafale, which doesn't mean we won't develop a future combat aircraft".
He added this would still cost less "than developing that massive combat aircraft that is supposedly going to fly in 2035" in an apparent reference to the now-abandoned FCAS fighter.
While Germany and France have pledged to keep alive part of the FCAS programme by continuing to develop data links between warplanes and drones or other assets, known as the "combat cloud," Trappier aimed a dig at the concept.
"A cloud is just water vapour," he said, adding that the real requirement was a comprehensive command-and-control system.
Advertisement · Scroll to continue
Trappier also confirmed that Dassault's divorce with Airbus, which mainly represents Germany and Spain in military aviation, had extended to a separate European drone programme.
He accused Airbus of trying to kick Dassault out of the Eurodrone project and said discussions over the dispute were under way. Reuters reported last month that Dassault was seeking compensation from Airbus over a change in industrial workshare.
France's Dassault open to cooperation after fighter programme collapse
By Florence Loeve and Tim HepherJuly 1, 202610:51 AM GMT+1Updated 2 hours ago
The logo of French aircraft manufacturer Dassault Aviation at the 55th International Paris Airshow at Le Bourget Airport near Paris, France, June 20, 2025. REUTERS/Benoit Tessier/Pool Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab
PARIS, July 1 (Reuters) - French planemaker Dassault Aviation (AM.PA), opens new tab is open to cooperation after the collapse of a Franco-German-Spanish fighter programme, its CEO said on Wednesday, while leaving open the prospect of working with a non-European partner.
Eric Trappier was speaking in his first formal testimony since Germany and France last month scrapped a project to build a new-generation fighter following industrial disputes between Dassault and its main partner Airbus (AIR.PA), opens new tab.
The Reuters Iran Briefing newsletter keeps you informed with the latest developments and analysis of the Iran war. Sign up here.
Advertisement · Scroll to continue
"We are capable of cooperating, we have shown it in the past, but we want to cooperate with rules that are accepted from the start," he told a French Senate committee.
Trappier said the collapse of the core fighter part of the FCAS project followed irreconcilable differences with Airbus, which has in turn blamed Dassault for the breakdown.
Asked if France could press ahead with its own fighter, as it did with the Rafale after quitting the Eurofighter in the 1980s, Trappier said, "We can do it alone, that's possible, or we can find partners. Do these partners exclusively have to be European? That's an open question."
Advertisement · Scroll to continue
There has been speculation that France could turn to Swedish planemaker Saab as a potential partner or team up with a Middle East importing nation for the next generation of fighters due to budget constraints. Airbus is also courting Saab (SAABb.ST), opens new tab.
Saab was not immediately available for comment.
Trappier later mentioned Dassault's existing partnership with the UAE, saying that it was interested in finding out whether France would launch a future combat aircraft programme.
PLAN B
"I am not saying we necessarily have the financial means to do it alone", Trappier said of a next-generation fighter jet, although "from a technical and technological standpoint, we can do it ourselves, together with our (French) partners".Trappier noted the potential snowball effect of larger plane designs as a result of compromises with international partners, leading to higher costs and fewer exports.
00:24Euro zone inflation dips more than expected in JuneThe video player is currently playing an ad.
France's need for a smaller and more agile plane capable of being deployed from carriers was blamed in part for its exit from Eurofighter and most recently, the breakdown of FCAS.
Asked about a possible "plan B" to FCAS, he replied "that's a Super Rafale, which doesn't mean we won't develop a future combat aircraft".
He added this would still cost less "than developing that massive combat aircraft that is supposedly going to fly in 2035" in an apparent reference to the now-abandoned FCAS fighter.
While Germany and France have pledged to keep alive part of the FCAS programme by continuing to develop data links between warplanes and drones or other assets, known as the "combat cloud," Trappier aimed a dig at the concept.
"A cloud is just water vapour," he said, adding that the real requirement was a comprehensive command-and-control system.
Advertisement · Scroll to continue
Trappier also confirmed that Dassault's divorce with Airbus, which mainly represents Germany and Spain in military aviation, had extended to a separate European drone programme.
He accused Airbus of trying to kick Dassault out of the Eurodrone project and said discussions over the dispute were under way. Reuters reported last month that Dassault was seeking compensation from Airbus over a change in industrial workshare.
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