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So Pakistan fooled the entire world? Wow, impressive heh?
If you flood foreign television, wires and diplomatic circles with your version first, your claims become the reference point before anybody has satellite imagery or proper BDA in front of them. Pakistani ministers and diplomats were doing interview after interview across US, British, European and Middle Eastern media while Indian embassies were largely asleep at the wheel.

And then you get this loop: Pakistan makes a claim. Intl media reports “Pakistan says…” using Pakistani officials and regional sources. Pakistani media then comes back home waving the foreign headline around as “international confirmation.” Suddenly one original claim has acquired ten different logos and people start calling that “the whole world.”

But missiles leave holes. Narratives don't fill them. There were Pakistani origin journalists and writers covering the conflict for major intl outlets.

You don't even need to believe some giant media conspiracy to understand what happened. Pakistan simply got its narrative into the international media much faster and much more aggressively than India did.

The problem came afterwards.

Satellites don't care who gave the better press conference. When Washington Post analysts went through satellite imagery and aftermath footage, they independently identified Indian strike damage cross multiple Pakistani airbases. BBC Urdu actually spoke to people around Bholari. Pakistani locals explained the huge explosion and black smoke rising from inside the airbase. An emergency responder described the blast shaking the building he was in. Heavy smoke, the smell of explosives and a hangar burning. Wounded personnel were being moved for treatment.
So, what exactly am I supposed to believe here? Pakistani eyewitnesses, satellite photographs and physical damage, or whichever narrative won Twitter during the first 24 hours?

And then the Chinese side of the information campaign started getting exposed too.

French authorities later documented a coordinated campaign around the Rafale story unsupported claims, misleading/recycled imagery, newly created amplification accounts and Chinese/Pakistani networks pushing the narrative.

A US congressional commission later went even further and documented Chinese-linked fake accounts, AI generated material and even VIDEO GAME imagery being circulated while claims about Rafales and Chinese weapons were being amplified.

French intelligence also reported that Chinese defence attachés were taking the same narrative directly to countries that operated or were considering buying Rafales.

So no, Pakistan didn't fool the entire world.

Pakistan and China were very good at winning the EARLY INFORMATION WAR. There's a big difference.

Get your version out first. Repeat it everywhere. Put your officials on foreign television. Push it through social media. Get international newspapers to report your claims. Then bring those same foreign headlines back home and say:

“Look! The whole world agrees with us!”

Very clever information warfare. India was embarrassingly slow at countering it.

But then the satellite imagery arrived. Western investigations started exposing parts of the Chinese information campaign.

That's why I don't care how many foreign headlines you can collect from the first few days of the war. You can push the same narrative through 100 newspapers.

You still can't make a 60 foot hole disappear from Bholari's hangar roof. 😂 Even by August 2026, satellite imagery showed Bholari's damaged hangar still undergoing reconstruction, roughly 15 months after the Indian strike.
 
The entire world is not Pakistan. If Pakistan makes a claim that it destroyed 20 aircraft, that is a Pakistani claim—not independent confirmation.

Please don't cite statements from the Pakistan Air Force, ISPR, or Pakistani officials as if they are third-party verification. Those references are useful for knowing what Pakistan is claiming, but they don't independently establish that the claim is true. all media reports are only about the claims made by someone.

Anyway, I don’t want to waste any more time discussing unverified claims without credible evidence.

Economist, Alan Warnes, Donald Trump.

All sound like Pakistani names right? Picture of shot down planes not credible enough for you?

Yeah, every frickin time you get called out for trying to convince us the earth is flat

"I dont want any more time discussing saar!"

Of course you do not, thats natural at a 8-0 kill ratio.

Off you f**k
 
If you flood foreign television, wires and diplomatic circles with your version first, your claims become the reference point before anybody has satellite imagery or proper BDA in front of them. Pakistani ministers and diplomats were doing interview after interview across US, British, European and Middle Eastern media while Indian embassies were largely asleep at the wheel.

And then you get this loop: Pakistan makes a claim. Intl media reports “Pakistan says…” using Pakistani officials and regional sources. Pakistani media then comes back home waving the foreign headline around as “international confirmation.” Suddenly one original claim has acquired ten different logos and people start calling that “the whole world.”

But missiles leave holes. Narratives don't fill them. There were Pakistani origin journalists and writers covering the conflict for major intl outlets.

You don't even need to believe some giant media conspiracy to understand what happened. Pakistan simply got its narrative into the international media much faster and much more aggressively than India did.

The problem came afterwards.

Satellites don't care who gave the better press conference. When Washington Post analysts went through satellite imagery and aftermath footage, they independently identified Indian strike damage cross multiple Pakistani airbases. BBC Urdu actually spoke to people around Bholari. Pakistani locals explained the huge explosion and black smoke rising from inside the airbase. An emergency responder described the blast shaking the building he was in. Heavy smoke, the smell of explosives and a hangar burning. Wounded personnel were being moved for treatment.
So, what exactly am I supposed to believe here? Pakistani eyewitnesses, satellite photographs and physical damage, or whichever narrative won Twitter during the first 24 hours?

And then the Chinese side of the information campaign started getting exposed too.

French authorities later documented a coordinated campaign around the Rafale story unsupported claims, misleading/recycled imagery, newly created amplification accounts and Chinese/Pakistani networks pushing the narrative.

A US congressional commission later went even further and documented Chinese-linked fake accounts, AI generated material and even VIDEO GAME imagery being circulated while claims about Rafales and Chinese weapons were being amplified.

French intelligence also reported that Chinese defence attachés were taking the same narrative directly to countries that operated or were considering buying Rafales.

So no, Pakistan didn't fool the entire world.

Pakistan and China were very good at winning the EARLY INFORMATION WAR. There's a big difference.

Get your version out first. Repeat it everywhere. Put your officials on foreign television. Push it through social media. Get international newspapers to report your claims. Then bring those same foreign headlines back home and say:

“Look! The whole world agrees with us!”

Very clever information warfare. India was embarrassingly slow at countering it.

But then the satellite imagery arrived. Western investigations started exposing parts of the Chinese information campaign.

That's why I don't care how many foreign headlines you can collect from the first few days of the war. You can push the same narrative through 100 newspapers.

You still can't make a 60 foot hole disappear from Bholari's hangar roof. 😂 Even by August 2026, satellite imagery showed Bholari's damaged hangar still undergoing reconstruction, roughly 15 months after the Indian strike.

Looked at that long post, new it was BS without evidence, ignored it.
 
Rich coming from the same crowd keeping the cosmetic industry afloat with laser treatments, chemical peels and glutathione injections just to cope with reality. Your whole timeline survives on reacting to Indians, Bollywood and Indian creators like unpaid PR interns. Internet nationalism really has people treating skin tone like a Steam rank achievement and all that superiority talk just ends up sounding chronically insecure with a social media account.

Decades of identity hopping just to turn around and run victory laps over genetics and looks is wild. Lmao please, zero major global pageant presence, no footprint in international beauty circuits and zero globally recognized soft power image industries, yet timelines are full of nonstop superiority complexes and race posting.
The insecurity writes itself. A whole cosmetic industry built on skin lightening culture, glutathione treatments and Eurocentric beauty standards all while screaming about being the superior race. The contradiction is genuinely absurd. If an entire wave of online nationalism depends on Photoshop edits, DNA fantasy roleplay, imported aesthetics and endless comparisons to Indians, that confidence was never real to begin with. The obsession is what gives it away entirely. People who are actually secure in their own identity don't spend 24/7 trying to prove they're not South Asian, only to turn around and try to claim every successful South Asian cultural export the second it gets global recognition.

OK, we need to put this clown to bed now @Musings
 
Abusing fellow members is not allowed. Go and have a break............
With respect, people pushing a false and dishonest narrative that is contrary to independently / neutrally accepted facts eg ‘no Ra-fail was shot down period’ should also not be allowed. Very frustrating and difficult to stay sensible.
ps Apologies after May 25 I can only ever refer to that particular jet as Ra-fail.
 

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