Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[RescueRanger]

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[Areesh]

Good you realised it, now next step try to understand repeated question gets the same answer, if you ask the same question you will get same answer, you have been repeating you will get water, I have been repeating that you will get your water, but how much and when.

Again if you have not able to comprehend about military options,I will make it simple for you, balakot happened after 12 days from the incident. This incident happened on 22nd and today is 29th, 29-22=7.

If your still did not comprehend then your must go back to school again.

As I said Pakistan would get its water

Emphasis is on the word 'its'. Even with your low IQ, I think it is fairly easy to understand

As for military option. Whether it would happen after 12 days or 120 days. One can easily see you guys moving back slowly from this option. It isn't a favorite option for p@jeets anymore. And that's what we have achieved with retaliations in 2016 and 2019. Now go back to your school or whereever you go to learn Modi's weekly monkey baat

 

[mulj]

You may not know that but you are already losing 'deterrence' by not acting after so forcefully accused Pakistan for the Pahalgam attack and not following through with your threat. I don't see how Pakistan can be 'deterred' to launch similar attacks in future IF Pakistan was launching such attacks.



Good post.
A few things are obvious as of now:
1) India didn't get the diplomatic support that it used to get; far from that.
2) Public threats of 'not one drop of water will go into Pakistan' after suspending the IWT was a hard sell diplomatically, especially when no proof was provided. A world which just witnessed similar Israeli threats against the Gazans is rightly sensitized to such rhetoric.
3) Pakistan has just now shown an desire to wage a 'do or die' war this time and many Pakistanis, including me, WANT India to start something so that there will be some strategic settlement through a conflict instead of constant blackmails India has been giving for decades.
4) India has no real friends and looking at some Indian bloggers, they know that even Bangladesh is lost for now. A huge blow to the 1971 War triumphalism; actually, a historic re-affirmation of the Two Nations Theory which was the foundation of the India Pakistan Partition of 1947.
5) Turkey and China--and maybe even Azerbaijan and some other Muslim nations like Bosnia--will help Pakistan if they are able to. The help just provided by China and Turkey and more help in the pipeline just may have prevented a war.
6) Going forward, I wish some kind of off-ramp is given to India to restore the IWT or at least not try to do something stupid to use water as weapon in future. Otherwise, however weak Pakistan maybe on economy it will make sure to match India conventionally.

Just to refer to the point 5), we are not homogenous country and half of country (serbs and croats hates muslims but at the same hand do not like hindus also probably even more but just for the sake puting needle in bosniacs eyes they will "support" india, so officially there would be no help particulary military.
Sentiments and all other possible help by non state actors, sure no question about it.
But there is huge space for cooperation in military industry, economy, infrastructure projects like dams, electric lines, electric distributions stations etc....
What is really interesting in midterm and long term is university education, i see my country as quite good opportunity for pakistani students who want to keep their options open in sense to come back to the homeland or to move further to europe, i think that from such perspective of costs/opportunities and quality of education it should be considered especially for medicine studies, our degree is recognized in EU and our country is thirsty also for medical professionals.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

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This is true.

India's briefing in front of ambassadors in India failed and became a farce. All the proofs presented related to the past issues.

 

[Starlord]

Claims are just that—claims!
Anyway, people can keep repeating "we’ll do this, we’ll do that"—I simply pointed out what is the most likely response from India in such scenarios.

I’ve noticed that many tend to live in their own imagined scenarios, driven by a one-sided perspective. So let me clarify just two key points from India’s side, very clearly:

1. Bombing Indian dams
This would be considered an act of war. India would likely respond with missile strikes, targeting critical infrastructure or airbases or both. And let’s be very clear.

2. Use of tactical nuclear weapons
India is prepared to absorb a first strike if it comes to that. But as per its declared nuclear doctrine, any nuclear use against India will result in a nuclear response.
And if one is used against India, the response is unlikely to stop at just one.

Again you are missing the point, Pakistan did not start this whole Drama... your Govt did by blaming Pakistan without any evidence, within minutes of Attack they blame Pakistan and release FIR when there was no paramilitary or police get on the site, even the world has condemn the "Terrorist" attack but no one including your bestie Ijrael has named Pakistan or condemned Pakistan.. so maybe your people should start showing some guts to question the official narrative.

Now Pakistan has not made any claims until the IWT suspension news came in, Plus you really think that if Dams are build over Pakistan's water, the country will just sit quietly and do nothing ? we are prepared for a war with India that is how our entire conventional and Nuclear doctrine is made, Pakistan's nuclear thresholds are 1) Stopping Pakistan's water, 2) Blockade of Karachi Port, 3) India holding Pakistani territory, so if water is diverted or stopped than that threshold is crossed than there will be war, full scale war which neither you nor we will survive, are you really sure that your nation is ready to take that risk ? because I damn well sure Pakistani's are.

Now let me try to explain you via hypothetical scenario, pay attention...

Lets say you build more dams against the international treaty, and ICC or world bank say we can not force India to stop, now Pakistan know that if nothing is done than eventually Pakistan's agriculture will not survive which is life line of Pakistan as a country/nation and economy, so stakes are already if you don't do anything you are dammed in a decade if you do something you are dammed within few months. So in a sheer act of desperation Pakistan will launch attacks on Indian dams or damage them enough, now according to the likes of you India will retaliate by attacking Pakistani dams which is fair, they sure will. Moment India attack Pakistani dams Pakistan will launch its own attacks on Indian targets and war will start, not skirmish or conflict but a full fledge war. By this time both countries will be suffering from floods and now a war where Armies are mobilize, so what do you think will happen next? one of the 2 things will happen.. 1) International community UNSC will intervene and ask for a cease fire, 2) Nobody cares and war will continue.

1) If UNSC intervene for a ceasefire, both countries will put their demands for a ceasefire, do you really think Pakistan will not put a condition ceasefire with releasing Pakistan's water and clause to not stop or divert water in future? than you are more idiot than your Politicians, of course one of the condition will be of ending eco-terrorism, now India can either accept or reject the condition, if accept it than we are back to square one, both countries will repair the damage, International guarantors will make sure India will abide by the water treaty, If India rejects the proposal then war continues.

2) Lets say world community don't give a F, war continue... both countries will be bombing civil military targets, and at some point there will be incursions in each other territory, if Pakistan territory is lost what you think will happen? Pakistan will launch a first strike, Of course India will launch second but than what you think will happen? over 150-200 Nukes will fly and we both die along with Millions more in Bangladesh, Myanmar, Bhutan, Iran, Afghanistan...you are looking at around 500 million people dead and rest will die of cancer and radiation poisoning, you Govt really ready go that far over Water ? I doubt it, but as mentioned Pakistan's survival is based on water so Pakistan will either do or die.

so once again, for a second and I know its hard but stop being a dumb P@jeet/bharti and think rationally, question your Govt. Since modi took govt we saw this mantra again and again, 2016/2019/2025 every time something happen no internal inquiry happen just blame Pakistan and your media start barking, even after 9/11 attack which by far the worse Terrorists attack ever happened on a country, US has first start negotiation with Afghanistan and give them time to handover AQ leadership, you lot somehow knows that Terrorists were Pakistan within few mins of Attack, you blame Pakistan without a shred of evidence, this is the mindset and chuitya nation we are dealing with, so sooner or later there will be a war until your nation kick out Modi types and sit with Pakistan for a dialog, only after you stop supporting BLA/TTP and show goodwill towards Pakistan the peace process can happen or else this chuityapa will continue until the worse happen.

 

[RescueRanger]

When people in India say our love for the Sikh community is false, show them this!

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[Sharma Ji]

Most of the outrage you 're seeing is fake, manufactured, contrived, faux..

30 dead in a brazen attack in one of the major cities wali baat nahi hai.

Kashmir was always a trouble spot, incidents had fallen sharply but risk hamesha sa raha hai.

I think there would have been a whole lot more if say, Amarnath pilgrims were attacked or something.

Any military response here will almost certainly be restricted to within Indian Kashmir.

Treaty thing doesn't mean anything yet...water diversion, dams and canal infra will take a decade +, too far off in the future.

They'll use other ways to get back at the Pak fauj, if they do. People here say TTP and BLA are on Indian payroll.. aap sunao kya scene hai aapke mutabiq.

 

[Sharma Ji]

@Areesh @Starlord ... oops forgot to quote you gentlemen.

 

[r3alist]

Sensible discussion here

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[KingQamaR]

Unless Pakistan adopt hard stance against terrorists families like India does then nothing will change. India burn whole villages of suspected terrorists while in Pakistan nothing happen to family members who got money because their son blew up.

That’s because, The occupied Kashmiris are not Indians. The Indian occupation army themselves sees them as Pakistani citizens why such brutality is dished out on the entire Kashmiris society , And you should not mix up the two on here. Our terrorists are not alien to us they are part and parcel of the Pakistani society. Who have become wronguns!

 

[TAC]

This is the most bizarre order ever. No objectives, no demands, just tell your armed forces they have a "Free Hand"!!!??? Most soldiers would just be like "Fine" fire a single shot over the border then go home for rest.

Modi is in fact no abdicating himself of any responsibility so he can pin blame on armed forces for lack of proper response

Just more proof of how big a coward Modi is, gives his army ‘free hand’ instead of ordersSo when they do nothing, he can’t be blamed because he gave them ‘free hand’ to do whatever they wantedCompliant Indian media will lap it up same as they did his previous stunts like ‘surgical strike’Getting votes is this man’s No. 1 & only priority.

 

[Rollno21]

As I said Pakistan would get its water

Emphasis is on the word 'its'. Even with your low IQ, I think it is fairly easy to understand

As for military option. Whether it would happen after 12 days or 120 days. One can easily see you guys moving back slowly from this option. It isn't a favorite option for p@jeets anymore. And that's what we have achieved with retaliations in 2016 and 2019. Now go back to your school or whereever you go to learn Modi's weekly monkey baat

Harish however you put its the same question and you will get the same answer. From next post I will ask you to refer the post number 6497.

 

[Yasser76]

Just more proof of how big a coward Modi is, gives his army ‘free hand’ instead of ordersSo when they do nothing, he can’t be blamed because he gave them ‘free hand’ to do whatever they wantedCompliant Indian media will lap it up same as they did his previous stunts like ‘surgical strike’Getting votes is this man’s No. 1 & only priority.

Yes, this very much feels like that.

IA will probably lob a few artillery shells. IAF may lob a few bombs across the border and IN may let it's carrier out for a couple more hours before returning.

My guess is this is the political climb down with "Free Hand" as some face saving cover

Indian Armed forces being set up here

 

[Yasser76]

Harish however you put its the same question and you will get the same answer. From next post I will ask you to refer the post number 6497.

Areesh, he is giving you.....

 

[suriya]

Tea has been fantastic for 55years.

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