Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[SaadH]

I've been trying to avoid talking about politics but if I don't reply to the above statement my soul will not rest in peace. Ayub Khan and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto are exactly the two characters who laid the foundation for Pakistan's destruction.

Ayub was the guy who overthrew civilian rule in Pakistan and to this day the army is running the country, either directly or indirectly. He's the one who killed off the founding fathers (and mothers) of Pakistan. Fatima Jinnah was so brutally murdered that her burial cloth was soaked with blood. Suhrawardi of Bengal was also murdered. Ayub moved the capital to the military headquarters. He caused the alienation in Bengal that led to independence. Then his henchman, Yahya, surrendered in the most humiliating fashion. He also gifted us with Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

Bhutto was instrumental in causing the rebellion in East Pakistan. Awami League won 167 seats, a majority, while Bhutto won 86. Bhutto preferred to break Pakistan rather than to sit in the opposition. After that, Bhutto caused the destruction of the economy with his nationalization. He also destroyed the bureaucracy, the education system, the banking system, the airline etc. He in turn left us with Zardari the biggest criminal in Pakistani history.

To say these two were the best leaders of Pakistan after Jinnah is a very odd statement and goes against all logic. We’re in a state of war because the enemy sees Pakistan weak and in tatters thanks to the legacy of destruction gifted to us by the above two gentlemen.

Landay kay khooni liberal remember Bhutto as if he was some mythical figure under whom Pakistan had turned into the Beirut of South Asia and was on its way to dislodging Beirut as the true Paris of the East...

When in reality Bhutto laid the foundation of Islamisation of Pakistan...

Leave alone his starring role in the military dictatorship of Ayub, his role in the persecution of Bengalis and the day light robbery of their clear mandate and ultimate secession from Pakistan. His brutal authoritarian rule where he assassinated his political opponents on whim and sent friends and allies as well as adversaries to gulags. His absolute destruction of economy with forced nationalization and dismantling of the industrial base of the country. His brutal suppression of Balochis whereby he ordered bombing and strafing by PAF against these lesser Pakistanis. Bhutto got what he deserved in the end and he was by far the worst single ruler of Pakistan.

 

[Path-Finder]

representatives of bandmasters on this forum, can they give some cope on this! while they built dam on our water, right under the nose of band masters. where was the bravado then?

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[Prognostications]

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[SaadH]

With dat 'we would lose a lot too' one liner........now wes know yous Indian.........lol

Thanks for finally comin out no?

heheheheeeee.........

There are no white folks on this forum, it's all bob and vegene fans from across the eastern border who also moonlight as Kevin Pietersen on the scam call centers...

 

[Path-Finder]

Landay kay khooni liberal remember Bhutto as if he was some mythical figure under whom Pakistan had turned into the Beirut of South Asia and was on its way to dislodging Beirut as the true Paris of the East...

When in reality Bhutto laid the foundation of Islamisation of Pakistan...

Leave alone his starring role in the military dictatorship of Ayub, his role in the persecution of Bengalis and the day light robbery of their clear mandate and ultimate secession from Pakistan. His brutal authoritarian rule where he assassinated his political opponents on whim and sent friends and allies as well as adversaries to gulags. His absolute destruction of economy with forced nationalization and dismantling of the industrial base of the country. His brutal suppression of Balochis where ordered bombing and strafing by PAF against these lesser Pakistanis. Bhutto got what he deserved in the end and he was by far the worst single ruler of Pakistan.

bhutto destroyed the economy, 50 years on we still haven't recovered. that nationalisation of private industry which shutdown all gross economic output was a unmeasurable crime. imagine how wealthy an average citizen today would be and how quality of life would be better today. infrastructure would have been world class too.

 

[SaadH]

However, the Indian state narrative blurs their lines. For example, if you're north Indian, you're ethnically similar to me, but by virtue of my religion, I am regarded a "traitor" to my "native heritage".

Then you may compare a north Indian and south Indian. Somehow, a south Indian hindu, with less genetic connection to the Indus Valley, ranks higher in the 5000 year sanghee narrative than I do, purely because he chooses hinduism and I choose Islam.

That's why Pakistanis simping to Sikhs is not only height of cringe but also effectively inconsequential in real politick.

 

[SaadH]

bhutto destroyed the economy, 50 years on we still haven't recovered. that nationalisation of private industry which shutdown all gross economic output was a unmeasurable crime. imagine how wealthy an average citizen today would be and how quality of life would be better today. infrastructure would have been world class too.

Shamshad Khan ex-foreign secretary of Pakistan, related an incident where the Kuwaiti ambassador personally handed over $750 mn (present value would be over $5 bn) check in the early seventies to Bhutto for disaster relief and made it out to Bhutto, which the latter deposited in his personal account and told Shamshad Khan to scratch this bit from his minutes of the meeting.

Not only Bhutto doomed Pakistan's economy for eternity but he sowed the seed of corruption which still plagues the country

 

[Aggregate]

I have been listening to all sides on this issue of IWT for several days, including international experts and there is another perspective to this as well. First of all, even if India builds reservoirs to stop complete water from Pakistan, India can only ever block upto 35% of Pakistani water. As that much water originates and flows through India before adding into our own sources of water and ice. We get 65% of water form mountains, rainfall and snowfall within our own Northern Areas, or which originate too close to our borders to be blocked. But we have no capacity to store it and it just wastes away into the Ocean. Thus we keep relying on all year around natural flow of rivers to sustain our agriculture. Unlike many others including China who have built up capacities to store as much water as they can, from within their own territories, especially.

The water wars ARE going to happen. There is no way around it. Indian states are infighting for water already. Two years back, 3 of the Indian states had actual fights between their police forces at their borders, due to water sharing. So India will also have no choice but to do something about it.

I think its more important for us to build effective Dams on our side. If we do, we won't have to rely on India anyway. Our own Ice, rain and other sources will fill our reservoirs enough for our needs, by the time India finishes any projects on their side. For another 5 - 8 years we will really not face any meaningful issues from India on this matter, but if we ignore this now and do not start building Dams of our own, then yes ! We will ! So its also important for us to stop making this an issue of our ego.

Lets face the reality. We can either go to war with India so neither they, nor we store any water. Or we can also take responsibility for ourselves and start building as many dams to store enough of the water that originates within our borders and I hope our politicians and establishment are aware of this. If not then we also need to take responsibility and push our politicians to take responsibility and take care of this matter before India builds up their own reservoir capacities. China can easily help us o this matter and we can take care of it all.

 

[Sharma Ji]

However, the Indian state narrative blurs their lines. For example, if you're north Indian, you're ethnically similar to me, but by virtue of my religion, I am regarded a "traitor" to my "native heritage".

Then you may compare a north Indian and south Indian. Somehow, a south Indian hindu, with less genetic connection to the Indus Valley, ranks higher in the 5000 year sanghee narrative than I do, purely because he chooses hinduism and I choose Islam.

That isn't the Indian state's narrative, that is what some very far right folk say.

I could post countless molvis and other Pk folk spewing all manner of 'bagal me chhuri wala kafir, mushrik, evil fascist Hindu'. In fact, most recently, callsign Whiskey sb, your dear leader went that route with some "Hindu this that" bs

India's dharmi caste and brahmin hierarchy is another discussion, not relevant to here, but happy to discuss elsewhere.

 

[Sharma Ji]

However, the Indian state narrative blurs their lines. For example, if you're north Indian, you're ethnically similar to me, but by virtue of my religion, I am regarded a "traitor" to my "native heritage".

Then you may compare a north Indian and south Indian. Somehow, a south Indian hindu, with less genetic connection to the Indus Valley, ranks higher in the 5000 year sanghee narrative than I do, purely because he chooses hinduism and I choose Islam.

That isn't the Indian state's narrative, that is what some very far right folk say.

I could post countless molvis and other Pk folk spewing all manner of 'bagal me chhuri wala kafir, mushrik, evil fascist Hindu'. In fact, most recently, callsign Whiskey sb, your dear leader went that route with some "Hindu this that" bs

India's dharmi caste and brahmin hierarchy is another discussion, not relevant to here, but happy to discuss elsewhere.

 

[Path-Finder]

Shamshad Khan ex-foreign secretary of Pakistan, related an incident where the Kuwaiti ambassador personally handed over $750 mn (present value would be over $5 bn) check in the early seventies to Bhutto for disaster relief and made it out to Bhutto, which the latter deposited in his personal account and told Shamshad Khan to scratch this bit from his minutes of the meeting.

Not only Bhutto doomed Pakistan's economy for eternity but he sowed the seed of corruption which still plagues the country

the bandmasters made sure Karachi fails and the gulf thrives. Look at Dubai and that's what Karachi was going to be. no bastard is sincere to Pakistan. any sincerity to Pakistan is removed.

 

[SaadH]

the bandmasters made sure Karachi fails and the gulf thrives. Look at Dubai and that's what Karachi was going to be. no bastard is sincere to Pakistan. any sincerity to Pakistan is removed.

IK had secured a massive overseas investment to develop Bundal Island off the coast of Karachi, but again the usual suspects the duffers blocked it.

 

[guangdongt]

China has already lost a lot of money in Pakistan due to CPEC

And now you want the Chinese soldiers to fight for Pakistan

India's ambition is too great. No matter who is in power, India cannot escape its initial attempt to become a leader of the so-called Third World. Nehru and Modi are not fundamentally different, and both want to become decisive forces that influence the world. If India were to annex the entire South Asia and control the Indian Ocean, it would be equivalent to controlling maritime trade, just like the emergence of a transit hub power in the Atlantic between the United States and Europe. For any neighboring country, it is a disaster, directly creating a dual pressure on East Asia and the Middle East on land. There is no triple island chain like China in the Indian Ocean. Taking back Taiwan will not fundamentally change East Asia. Japan, South Korea, and Southeast Asia cannot be changed. India, on the other hand, is completely different. If it occupies South Asia, once its sea, land, and air national and geographical advantages are formed. China and Muslim countries will not benefit. India is competing for our jobs and national interests.

 

[Mobius]

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[maverick]

so the outcome is that there will be no indian military adventure, they stopped water on chenab and jehlum to pakistan

this is far more aggressive than dropping nuclear bombs on pakistan

what will pakistan do? options ?