Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[TopGun786]

Gradually revealing yourself bhakt.

I knew his shrewd nature since long time ago.
He always pretends to be a sane Indian poster but reveals himself if properly stroked on his nerve.

 

[Aggregate]

Yeah all that is fine and dandy; but it doesn't change the fact Pakistan has its national leader illegally incarcerated in Adiala just for the ego of few.

His presence would be a huge morale booster in current crises. But respecting the threads aim, I wont comment further on this topic.

@RescueRanger another political post.

 

[r3alist]

Well said, this is what happens when someone becomes too big for their own boots and claims "infosphere dominance". We learnt some valuable lessons from 2019 and a few other crisis.

the assassinations abroad and response told them they will get pulled up and chastised diplomatically by 5 eyes if needed

If they come out with this big rhetoric for a nano second I thought will they go unilateral in thought speech and ....deed

Well clearly not, why do they care for world opinion?

The interesting part to understand is what grouping within India is pulling in what way?

 

[Yousafzai_M]

I wonder if this place has become flooded with kids now. Lots of bickering about everything and reply after reply after reply, they just won't let it go. Keep on bitching and trying to have the last word.

I am not a frequenter here but I miss reading decent, mature, informative posts from people like Waz, Windjammer, Mastaan, Rapter.

Not sure if those folks are still around.

 

[SteppeWolff]

I wonder if this place has become flooded with kids now. Lots of bickering about everything and reply after reply after reply, they just won't let it go. Keep on bitching and trying to have the last word.

I am not a frequenter here but I miss reading decent, mature, informative posts from people like Waz, Windjammer, Mastaan, Rapter.

Not sure if those folks are still around.

@MastanKhan is being genuinely missed atleast by me. He always has that "out of the box" thinking.

 

[Corax]

The indians dug themselves a hole in 2019 with their failed airstrike, motivated by the hindutva right wing ideology of Modi's government and fuelled by its bollywood media. That has set a baseline. A symbolic air strike is the minimum of what they can do. And if they don't even do that, Modi and his government has lost all credibility. The indians think they are israel, and Pakistan is the likes of hamas or a failed arab state like Syria or Lebanon. They have half a million soldiers in occupied Kashmir, if they had even a fraction of a competent intelligence and security apparatus, they would be able to tackle these types of attacks.

 

[RescueRanger]

@RescueRanger another political post.

It has been dealt with. Read my reply, your post was deleted because lets be honest it is unhelpful to keep repeating the same topic ad- nauseam. Lets learn to move on.

 

[mythbuster]

Where are PDF heavyweights , missing in action ?

 

[Aggregate]

The indians dug themselves a hole in 2019 with their failed airstrike, motivated by the hindutva right wing ideology of Modi's government and fuelled by its bollywood media. That has set a baseline. A symbolic air strike is the minimum of what they can do. And if they don't even do that, Modi and his government has lost all credibility. The indians think they are israel, and Pakistan is the likes of hamas or a failed arab state like Syria or Lebanon. They have half a million soldiers in occupied Kashmir, if they had even a fraction of a competent intelligence and security apparatus, they would be able to tackle these types of attacks.

That's precisely why we need to blow them out of the sky or on the ground wherever they step their foot in. Otherwise this ridiculous bully of country will never stop. A good punch back in the nose and next time they will look into themselves a hundred times before talking about Pakistan. This is a good opportunity. Modi has no choice but to hit back because of his bloodthirsty hindutva base has him in a corner and Pakistan will never have a better chance to leave him with a bloody nose and stop this nonsense in the future.

 

[RescueRanger]

I wonder if this place has become flooded with kids now. Lots of bickering about everything and reply after reply after reply, they just won't let it go.

Do you want to know why? Because when someone takes the time to compose a well articulated, researched and thought out post it is instantly drowned out by one liners and gaslighting. That is one of the reasons you see this.

Secondly the bickering you see is a form of catharsis, right now people on both sides are in a heightened state of mental anxiety, if sh** posting and memeing on PDF gives them an outlet, why not?

Besides there is nothing of note happening right now, so there is nothing to discuss, all the historic issues behind this crisis have been discussed to death.

Repeating the same talking points adds no depth to the discussion because 9/10 people will go TLDR; and post something unrelated.

Having said that I miss @Blain2 @MastanKhan too.

 

[SteppeWolff]

The indians dug themselves a hole in 2019 with their failed airstrike, motivated by the hindutva right wing ideology of Modi's government and fuelled by its bollywood media. That has set a baseline. A symbolic air strike is the minimum of what they can do. And if they don't even do that, Modi and his government has lost all credibility. The indians think they are israel, and Pakistan is the likes of hamas or a failed arab state like Syria or Lebanon. They have half a million soldiers in occupied Kashmir, if they had even a fraction of a competent intelligence and security apparatus, they would be able to tackle these types of attacks.

It's a lose-lose situation built by India's own theatrics.

Scrapping the Indus Waters Treaty only exposes India diplomatically. It makes New Delhi look desperate and untrustworthy on the global stage. And Pakistan has responded by walking away from the Shimla Accord, it has freed up Pakistan from bilateral deadlock and has reignited Kashmir issue which frankly was dead. That’s not a loss for Pakistan; it’s leverage.

India masks its failures by slogans and cinematic bravado.

 

[FuturePAF]

Moeed Yusuf should be Pakistan’s Foreign Minister.



He knows how to firmly respond to Indian claims and to show resolve at just the right level, IMHO. He also doesn’t focus on domestic politics and the trap to have him comment on domestic affairs and faces outward towards foreign pressure. He stuck to his well thought out perspective and stuck to it, not talking off the cuff, but reframing any of his points to answer questions as he saw fit, not as the interviewer would want it , unchallenged.

Btw, Karan Thaler is a great interviewer in my opinion, so this isn’t a jab at him.

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P.S. 53 members on here and 99 lurkers Is PDF a news source for any powerful people?

 

[Pakistan First]

Which is why Imrandu statements against USA just to defend Afghan taliban for ethnic reasons were so dumb. He again played American card to rally up Pakistani public after he was removed.

If only our people were educated in strategic thinking and not like stupid jahils then we could get somewhere.

Its extremely astonishing seeing the evilness in your hearts. After imprisoning a national leader for 2 years without any single crime. You still have audacity to speak against him. Not just ordinary leader, but the one who entire nation voted for (on his name, despite all the odds). So essentially he should have been the leading the nation and the ones who got retired should have been retired and rejected corrupt dynasties should have been in opposition. Just to suppress the truth, justice and will of nation, you did biggest treachery with the nation that's to steal their entire mandate. You guys made false cases and thrown 1000s of innocents in jails, including old women, fire shots on unarmed people, tortured judges relatives, made below the belt cases like iddat. Your current system is based on zulm and injustice. It will collapse with its face down and whenever its done you and all the perpetrators will be hung. Your whole system is built upon because one guy wanted to do naukri for 5 years. The character of your system can't be hidden anymore when a govt servant is using everything at state's disposal (high treason) to extend his tenure, even denied SC full bench majority decision from being implemented. Talk about treachery.

@Mods, I am only responding to derogatory comments made by an ignorant. Who fails to see the open lawlessness & brutality done to the nation's rights. So, Don't remove this or otherwise have guts to point where I am wrong.

This is the time of national unity. IK, imagine him being in prison for absolutely no crimes and imagine him being in prison when he knows that according to every law & principle, he should have been leading the nation as nation choose him (voted on his name only) but still he said from the jail that whole nation to get united against indian aggression. Imagine the greatness, anyone would have become sworn enemy of the state with so much injustices done but he is writing history. At this time, TELL mafia of shareefs & zardaris to not sprinkle salt on our wounds. Let's remain focused.

 

[Meengla]

It's a lose-lose situation built by India's own theatrics.

Scrapping the Indus Waters Treaty only exposes India diplomatically. It makes New Delhi look desperate and untrustworthy on the global stage. And Pakistan has responded by walking away from the Shimla Accord, it has freed up Pakistan from bilateral deadlock and has reignited Kashmir issue which frankly was dead. That’s not a loss for Pakistan; it’s leverage.

India masks its failures by slogans and cinematic bravado.

India doesn't care for the 'world opinion' otherwise it wouldnt have taken such an illegal and drastic action like suspending the IWT, which was an action thought well in advance, as an Indian member here himself admitted and the guy also said India sees Pakistan in a weak position right now [though I don't agree with that]. Anyway, Pakistan really needs to start paying a lot of attention to what India would actually do to the rivers.

As for the Shimla Agreement in abeyance: This takes Pakistan back to the early 1970s after the Fall of Dhaka except the Pakistani POWs were freed due to Shimla Agreement and Pakistan is under no obligation to recognize the 'sanctity of LOC' anymore: Short term, Advantage Pakistan.

 

[jugger]

One has to see history to understand the depressing situation of Pakistan. Whenever there is conflict with India, it was Pakistan that lost big. Only in the early 1990s could Pakistan use expandable jihadis to do it's bidding against India, which was extremely cost effective at hurting India. Congress govt of India was also pro peace during that time and hence did not exact cost against Pakistan.

Now the situation is different, BJP govt is agressive, they understand the ideology of islamic Pakistan and know that even if india surrenders everything, Pakistan due to being islamic cannot tolerate Hindus living freely outside the control of islam. Living as second class citizen under islamic rule is just about bearable to them.

Hence, this conflict cannot be solved by giving territory. Pakistani use of expandable jihadis cannot be allowed without extracting a very heavy price, hence Modi govt will definately increase the cost for Pakistan.