Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Salza]

No one cares if Asim and his boys get beating this time since nation are not totally behind them. Anyways Modi is stupid enough to give what Asim badly needs for the last couple of years that is acceptance and restoration of some respect in the eyes of Pakistanis.

 

[Mobius]

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[Meengla]

That's precisely why we need to blow them out of the sky or on the ground wherever they step their foot in. Otherwise this ridiculous bully of country will never stop. A good punch back in the nose and next time they will look into themselves a hundred times before talking about Pakistan. This is a good opportunity. Modi has no choice but to hit back because of his bloodthirsty hindutva base has him in a corner and Pakistan will never have a better chance to leave him with a bloody nose and stop this nonsense in the future.

Good post.
Just like before Hezbollah became potent enough to make Israel think a little bit before flying into Lebanon and even bombing with impunity, Pakistan needs to realize that Indians are really emulating Israel in many ways and will do the same to Pakistan as they did/doing to Lebanon, Syria etc unless Pakistan gives India a bloody nose for the misadventures.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

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[r3alist]

India doesn't care for the 'world opinion' otherwise it wouldnt have taken such an illegal and drastic action like suspending the IWT, which was an action thought well in advance, as an Indian member here himself admitted and the guy also said India sees Pakistan in a weak position right now [though I don't agree with that]. Anyway, Pakistan really needs to start paying a lot of attention to what India would actually do to the rivers.

As for the Shimla Agreement in abeyance: This takes Pakistan back to the early 1970s after the Fall of Dhaka except the Pakistani POWs were freed due to Shimla Agreement and Pakistan is under no obligation to recognize the 'sanctity of LOC' anymore: Short term, Advantage Pakistan.

I believe India does really really care about world opinion but misjudged everything or got sold out


They revoked the ivt as a punitive punishment, coupled with war threats, they thought they would get support for this action...it has not


They did pre plan the reversal of ivt but no one knew the context it would be executed , there are good way to do things and bad ways and that can override the action itself, which I believe is what happened here

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Nice shot..

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Nice shot..

 

[Baadil]

Besides there is nothing of note happening right now, so there is nothing to discuss, all the historic issues behind this crisis have been discussed to death.

@Musings
I think forum could do with automated sign-posting to other threads when someone is typing out a post. For example, I asked about Rafale SPECTRE and @Ali_Baba provided insight into limited capability of SPECTRE against AESA. Elsewhere in forum where this may have been discussed already, I could be sign-posted automatically before I submit my post to this thread. This would help prevent thread derailing and help foster good forum contributions and insha’Allah help foster a positive environment

 

[Meengla]

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Someone responded to that by this.

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[r3alist]

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[CombatCorner]

One has to see history to understand the depressing situation of Pakistan. Whenever there is conflict with India, it was Pakistan that lost big. Only in the early 1990s could Pakistan use expandable jihadis to do it's bidding against India, which was extremely cost effective at hurting India. Congress govt of India was also pro peace during that time and hence did not exact cost against Pakistan.

Now the situation is different, BJP govt is agressive, they understand the ideology of islamic Pakistan and know that even if india surrenders everything, Pakistan due to being islamic cannot tolerate Hindus living freely outside the control of islam. Living as second class citizen under islamic rule is just about bearable to them.

Hence, this conflict cannot be solved by giving territory. Pakistani use of expandable jihadis cannot be allowed without extracting a very heavy price, hence Modi govt will definately increase the cost for Pakistan.

Brain can be a dangerous thing for some to possess.
Although minorities have been victims in Pakistan but unlike India, its certainly not Pakistans state policy to suppress and humiliate the minorities.
Hinduatas even tried to ape the zionists by using Kashmiris as a human shields.
Fake encounters has been a buzzword in Indian armed forces for decades so before you jump on your moral Mules, a little introspection wouldn't go a miss.

 

[SteppeWolff]

India doesn't care for the 'world opinion' otherwise it wouldnt have taken such an illegal and drastic action like suspending the IWT, which was an action thought well in advance, as an Indian member here himself admitted and the guy also said India sees Pakistan in a weak position right now [though I don't agree with that]. Anyway, Pakistan really needs to start paying a lot of attention to what India would actually do to the rivers.

As for the Shimla Agreement in abeyance: This takes Pakistan back to the early 1970s after the Fall of Dhaka except the Pakistani POWs were freed due to Shimla Agreement and Pakistan is under no obligation to recognize the 'sanctity of LOC' anymore: Short term, Advantage Pakistan.

You raise solid points. India’s strategy may well be that global opinion doesn’t matter enough to "restrain" it; especially with the current geopolitical winds favoring give and take kind of diplomacy over principle. But even then, abandoning a long standing treaty like the IWT ( which isn't bilateral but brokered by the World Bank ) dents India’s image as a “responsible rising power.” That reputational cost might not deter immediate policy moves, but it does accumulate over time, especially in multilateral forums.

And u'r absolutely right about the need for Pakistan to shift focus toward practical water management and hydrological counter strategy. India has used the legal gray zones in the IWT for years to build upstream infrastructure; this recent move could be a prelude to more aggressive action. Pakistan must be proactive, not just reactive. We also need to overhaul our irrigation networks, canal relinings, establishment of RO desalination plants on coasts.

And yes, shelving the Shimla Accord changes the equation. The ‘sanctity of the LOC’ was a political deadlock that limited Pakistan’s ability to maneuver. With it gone, Pakistan has more space diplomatically, especially to bring Kashmir back to the international table. That’s why I called it leverage and not just symbolic, but strategic.

Let’s see if Pakistan uses this moment or lets it slip like so many before.

 

[Meengla]

I believe India does really really care about world opinion but misjudged everything or got sold out
They revoked the ivt as a punitive punishment, coupled with war threats, they thought they would get support for this action...it has not

If India had cared about world opinion then India would not have taken such a patently illegal and drastic measure like suspending the IWT which had stood the test of time for 65 years. How many countries have condemned that?? Not even a mention in the recently passed UNSC Resolution over this crisis. Granted, India failed to get the diplomatic support that was expected but I don't think Pakistan would have cared anyway as long as China would Veto any non favorable UNSC Resolutions against Pakistan.
The world doesn't care and that kind of works for Pakistan too. Unless there is a hot war, the world will remain pre occupied with other things.

 

[Pakistan First]

If India had cared about world opinion then India would not have taken such a patently illegal and drastic measure like suspending the IWT which had stood the test of time for 65 years. How many countries have condemned that?? Not even a mention in the recently passed UNSC Resolution over this crisis. Granted, India failed to get the diplomatic support that was expected but I don't think Pakistan would have cared anyway as long as China would Veto any non favorable UNSC Resolutions against Pakistan.
The world doesn't care and that kind of works for Pakistan too. Unless there is a hot war, the world will remain pre occupied with other things.

India has taken this from Israeli playbook. Israel isn't respecting any UN, ICJ statements or judgements. Israel can get away with all that because it knows it has United States full backing.