Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

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If a major conflict breaks out something tells me when it's over the Indians are going to be desperate in asking if they could buy F-35's but under US terms.

I want no war to breakout but if a PAF F-16 shoots down a Rafale it is going to be so delicious at them Frenchy defense forums as these insufferable Rafale fanboys are put in their place and I will be there to make sure they get put in their place.

India is itching or a PR win and Modi is dying for something substantive. The fact that Rafales retreated yesterday instead of attacking the JF17s is a big indicator that they sensed that they should not be fighting with JF17/PL15s.

I already sensed this earlier when China sent PL15s to Pakistan in a nice giftwrap , as China would never send PL15s to Pakistan and ruin their market of Air-Air missiles, unless China were super confident that PL15s would easily destroy Rafales in a real fight. I hope so too, so Indians can shut up once and for all and move on to shouting about F35s next.

 

[Cash gk]

This is incorrect. I don't know where you got this from. Jinnah is responsible for creating Pakistan, wholly in antagonism to the desires of Mountbatten, Nehru, Gandhi and Golwalkar.

Pakistan was born despite the vast and menacing array of enemies and saboteurs amassed against her.

Mountbatten was in bed with Nehru (you can interpret this quite literally, by proxy). Each player in this game wished to thwart any notion of Pakistan, albeit for varying reasons. It was the guile, intellect and charisma of Jinnah that outmanouevred all of them.

I’m not saying father Muhammed Ali was not behind this. I agree his struggle is very important He did great justice to his people for what I’m saying. They agreed on this term because they knew deep inside how big thread is coming from central Asia Muslim states.
They saw one very original demo when tribes from Pakistani border and Afghan tribes border. They attacked on Kashmir and took half of Kashmir from India. You cannot deny this fact.

 

[Mobius]

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[Meengla]

Pakistan as well knows that India cannot stop that water,

Let's not take this lightly: There are ways to use water as weapon even now; I think our Chinese friend @Michael posted above something like 'Pulse' water discharge. Also, India can certainly creatively divert water, stores and releases to damage Pakistan especially during critical times of the year, and indeed could build larger reservoirs.
Already Pakistan faces about 30% lower water supply than needed; part of that could be alleviated by creating water reservoirs, barrages, lakes etc etc but they will take time. Meanwhile, Pakistan should not accept even one drop of reduction in Pakistan's water quota per IWT.
India COULD have worked with Pakistan to find mutually acceptable solutions; it seems like Indians have better capabilities than Pakistan for dams, canals as per their successes in the desert state of Rajasthan. But the goal is to use water as weapon which is evil.

 

[Mobius]

Sorry, is this too dark???

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[Cash gk]

btw India also threatened 'stopping rivers' after 2019, and so may times before that. No country in the world has ever been able to stop the flow of rivers to any other country in the history (other than Tukey managing a 15% reduction in Euphratesi in the best of conditions, that too only because Euphrates is a very slow moving river anyway). India had rights to 20% water on the three Western rivers but in the last 70 years they have been able to utilize only 2% of that water, let alone even the 20% that they have the right to. How will they go anywhere beyond even 50% in the next 200 years ?

The threat form Pakistan due to IWT this time is an entirely different dynamics in my opinion. Pakistan as well knows that India cannot stop that water, but now Pakistan has a legitimate reason to wage a war at India, if needed, using the suspension of IWT as a reason. Its a way of threatening to punch a bully if they touch your lunch, then seeing if they try to do (even if they have no intention of eating it), so you an actually go and punch them. Hence keeping them in control. Other than that nobody's starving anyone by 'stopping rivers' no mater how badly they want to do it.

Let’s not take it lightly India played smartly India has suddenly releasing water into the Jhelum River without prior notification, creating a new economic and agricultural crisis for Pakistan. This move is deeply concerning as this precious water will be wasted into the sea, while in coming months when we desperately need water for our crops, India will be storing water in its dams. This irresponsible act not only risks creating drought-like conditions but could also push our already fragile economy to the brink of collapse.
If we do not have a rain in Coming months, it will be great trouble because they have released water with the idea to fill their reserves when they needed them most.

 

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Do you know what our defense doctrine was before we conducted our nuclear test? Our policymakers used to say that if we couldn’t match India’s massive army through conventional warfare, we would retreat—migrate towards Afghanistan—and from there, regroup and launch a counterattack on the subcontinent, just as our ancestors had been doing for the past thousand years. But once we successfully conducted our nuclear test, our doctrine completely changed. We sent a clear message to the world: no one can remove us from this land, and no force can displace us from our soil.

Damn dude ! Sometimes realities of wars hit you hard. I also heard of this doctrine from someone I know, when I was a kid in the 90s, but totally forgot about it. When Hasina was ousted and Bangladesh came roaring back in alliance of Pakistan, I felt the same kind of dynamics where yes, India illegally intervened and surrounded our army in 1971 and they Pakistan strategically retreated, that was not the end of it, after 50 years it all came to bite India back as soon as Hasina was thrown out and that's when i remembered that Doctrine of strategic retreat again. You look at social Media/Media today and everyone needs an instant win whereas the dynamics of war are so, entirely different. Anyway, it shows the decision to get Nuclear Weapons and Alhamdulillah, it shows today that we can confidently stick to our land. India would have otherwise been no less dangerous for us either, than Israel has been to Palestinians.

 

[RescueRanger]

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Indian army is rotten.

 

[Mobius]

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[Al-Zakir]

Dr. Sahib propagated the message clearly.

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[Cash gk]

Damn dude ! Sometimes realities of wars hit you hard. I also heard of this doctrine from someone I know, when I was a kid in the 90s, but totally forgot about it. When Hasina was ousted and Bangladesh came roaring back in alliance of Pakistan, I felt the same kind of dynamics where yes, India illegally intervened and surrounded our army in 1971 and they Pakistan strategically retreated, that was not the end of it, after 50 years it all came to bite India back as soon as Hasina was thrown out and that's when i remembered that Doctrine of strategic retreat again. You look at social Media/Media today and everyone needs an instant win whereas the dynamics of war are so, entirely different. Anyway, it shows the decision to get Nuclear Weapons and Alhamdulillah, it shows today that we can confidently stick to our land. India would have otherwise been no less dangerous for us either, than Israel has been to Palestinians.

Pakistan can retaliate against India’s water aggression by blocking its airspace to Indian airlines—and even denying overflight access to airlines from other countries, including brotherly Islamic nations. This move would push India into a severe crisis—mark my words. If our brotherly Muslim countries they will rush into your knees to have access to India because India is one 1 .5 billion population. And it is very important for American future plans against China. We just need to hold our ass for one year mark my words India will be in your knees. You don’t need to do anything. You just block airlines for any country..

 

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[Meengla]

I too believed until the last week that he should be released in this situation, but then I went though his Social Media posts and he does not care one bit about the situation or the border situation and is all about his complaints about the elections and Form 47 bla bla bla since last 1 week as if nothing else is happening. It shows that even if he is let out. He will just start his own dramas and distract the military from the current situation

You are right!
Here, Moeed Yusuf who was the NSA in the previous govt is himself saying that Pakistan's domestic politics has no bearing on the Pakistani Army's ability to conduct a war against India and yet some here are trying to get their Great Leader released under the garb of 'national unity'.
Starting this part of the video.

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[Mr X]

stick to the topic guys. Don’t fight with each other like babies