Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

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Third eye said:
It's not (yet)suspended, just set aside.

The ' structures' are on Indian soil.

' Taken out" !! That would be the stupidest thing to do. Guess where the water stored would rush to ?..and the retribution that would naturally follow?
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Whatever you want to call it, since its India (not Pakistan) which has put it in cold storage, as we stand, the legal status of all these structures stand null and void. And no, its not Indian soil as per international laws and commitments (UN security council resolution), its a disputed territory. Your constitution is worth the paper its written on. And since you lot have produced zero evidence to back up your claims towards the incident, and then using that to tell the world that you will block water of a sovereign downstream nation (completely different issues) , that itself will not fly far. You are trying to ruffles those feathers which have global consequences, once a precedent is set, global rule base order will be up in the air.

And I am sure there are strategies on how water flow to be mitigated in such circumstances. Destructive power of the weapon systems, warheads, can be calibrated to achieve desired level destruction without causing a massive breach. Once enough water is being extracted at acceptable level of flow, then full on strike can be achieved.
 
Meengla said:
India buys influence and that can work only to an extent: You real allies even though Pakistan is not in a position to given them back much.
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Pakistan, in fact, is in a position to offer that others can't, especially to the Muslim countries facing existential threats.....
 
Taimoor said:
Whatever you want to call it, since its India (not Pakistan) which has put it in cold storage, as we stand, the legal status of all these structures stand null and void. And no, its not Indian soil as per international laws and commitments (UN security council resolution), its a disputed territory. Your constitution is worth the paper its written on. And since you lot have produced zero evidence to back up your claims towards the incident, and then using that to tell the world that you will block water of a sovereign downstream nation (completely different issues) , that itself will not fly far. You are trying to ruffles those feathers which have global consequences, once a precedent is set, global rule base order will be up in the air.

And I am sure there are strategies on how water flow to be mitigated in such circumstances. Destructive power of the weapon systems, warheads, can be calibrated to achieve desired level destruction without causing a massive breach. Once enough water is being extracted at acceptable level of flow, then full on strike can be achieved.
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Sir

In any property dispute, possession is nine-tenths of the law.

Security council resolutions were passed under a non-enforceable clause & and are little more than an advisory.

Have you seen the WW2 movie The Dam Busters ?
 
A1Kaid said:
India


Pakistan has absolutely won the media and social media in this conflict. It’s not even close. Even NYT published a story on Asim Munir. It’s important Pakistan use this opportunity to boost its international reputation and undermines Indian’s standing as a cowardly country.

India is a just a barking dog. Even if they do attack at this point, India has shown the world it is not a strong power, it is cowardly, it is indecisive, and it is scared of Pakistan. To their credit they have a right to be worried about attacking.

I 100% believe Pakistan jammed those 4 Rafale’s and thwarted the attack.

When a country barks and threatens but hesitates to attack almost a month after its a sign of weakness not strategic genius.
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India wants long war so they are building for long term war since they are convinced that Pakistan can't stand for long term conflict and our economy collapsed but they don't know we will finished in days.
 
Master Chief said:
Agree nobody can trust India, but not because of their established duplicity - that duplicity doesn't actually target western deep state interests, hence a few anti-sikh activities are begrudgingly tolerated.

Rather, western "partners" can't trust India to do a job because of their real world incompetence. Bollywood victories count for nothing in DC, Tel Aviv and London.
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And, Pakistan is a litmus test for Bharat. If all she can do is terrorism and genocide in all forms then she has already lost the plot. Failure of Rafael vis-a-vis PAF means a natural "sanction" on anything higher for it might get at stake too. Losing the perception of the efficacy of the Wrstern defense tech is no option....
 
Taimoor said:
Since India has set aside IWT, what is the legal status of the structures India made under IWT umbrella, in Indian occupied Kashmir, a disputed territory. If they are taken out, legally, India cant moan at any legal frame work since they themselves have put spanner in the works.
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There is no legalese here nor enforcement... never was!
One can hide behind international bodies and assume rather hope for an outcome ... lawfare is time consuming and stronger or wealthier uses to its advantage.

Enforcement could be bilateral, on agency from both sides to supervise and perform tasks. There isn't...

In a way, by threatening water Indians have guaranteed a conflict now or down the line... it is amongst the oldest known reasons for war, Sumerian city states fought because of water diversion for a hundred years.

Rivers have been historically natural borders among peoples. In fact, diversion of natural resources further cements Pakistan's claim over Kashmir. Where an occupying power has not only established tyrannical rule over locals but diverts resources their way. It is a sort of colonial set up that needs to dismantled. I know it sounds jingoistic when I say Sutlej to be the border between two peoples. But that is the reality... A distinction not only in landscape but also to the tributaries to Indus... for a lasting peace.

Let them not look this way and here a reason to prod further.
 
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A1Kaid said:
India


Pakistan has absolutely won the media and social media in this conflict. It’s not even close. Even NYT published a story on Asim Munir. It’s important Pakistan use this opportunity to boost its international reputation and undermines Indian’s standing as a cowardly country.

India is a just a barking dog. Even if they do attack at this point, India has shown the world it is not a strong power, it is cowardly, it is indecisive, and it is scared of Pakistan. To their credit they have a right to be worried about attacking.

I 100% believe Pakistan jammed those 4 Rafale’s and thwarted the attack.

When a country barks and threatens but hesitates to attack almost a month after its a sign of weakness not strategic genius.
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I think the rafales were carrying a package and were going to target some random field or building

This idea of waiting days and weeks is nonsense, they wanted a quick response and then be ready for any Pakistani counter attack

Pakistan however was ready, stopped the attack and surprised the Indians with our EW capabilities and now the Indians are second-guessing themselves, Pakistan has built up forces and any Indian attack is dangerous and the more the time goes on improbable


We are now left with the aftermath and a crazy Indian population angry and confused
 
HRK said:
A week old video

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Holy...

Toss bombing drills already. So much for the airfields damn. Jam them blind them and make them dumb before flatening them.
 
Third eye said:
Sir

In any property dispute, possession is nine-tenths of the law.

Security council resolutions were passed under a non-enforceable clause & and are little more than an advisory.

Have you seen the WW2 movie The Dam Busters ?
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Its not some property dispute between some randoms is it?

Have you read the resolution?

We are not living in WW2 era are we? I am sure you can appreciate that sophistication in weapons systems have come some way!?

There will always be risks involved however. But since India has come out in open with intention to stop Pakistan water (in defiance to rule based world order), and claiming to have ability to cause floods in Pakistan anyway at its will, why not get rid of this Indian problem once and for all and have acceptable onetime losses, if we have to?
 
hussain0216 said:
I think the rafales were carrying a package and were going to target some random field or building

This idea of waiting days and weeks is nonsense, they wanted a quick response and then be ready for any Pakistani counter attack

Pakistan however was ready, stopped the attack and surprised the Indians with our EW capabilities and now the Indians are second-guessing themselves, Pakistan has built up forces and any Indian attack is dangerous and the more the time goes on improbable


We are now left with the aftermath and a crazy Indian population angry and confused
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Why not let them come in and shoot them down?
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
There is no legalese here nor enforcement... never was!
One can hide behind international bodies and assume rather hope for an outcome ... lawfare is time consuming and stronger or wealthier uses to its advantage.

Enforcement could be bilateral, on agency from both sides to supervise and perform tasks. There isn't...

In a way, by threatening water Indians have guaranteed a conflict now or down the line... it is amongst the oldest known reasons for war, Sumerian city states fought because of water diversion for a hundred years.

Rivers have been historically natural borders among peoples. In fact, diversion of natural resources further cements Pakistan's claim over Kashmir. Where an occupying power has not only established tyrannical rule over locals but diverts resources their way. It is a sort of colonial set up that needs to dismantled. I know it sounds jingoistic when I say Sutlej to be the border between two peoples. But that is the reality... A distinction not only in landscape but also to the tributaries to Indus... for a lasting peace.

Let them not look this way and here a reason to prod further.
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Legality, that is, from Indian point of view, if we have to take kinetic actions against Indian water structures in occupied Kashmir. They will run to all sorts of international platforms in the aftermath, hell, they are ones who took Kashmir to the UN, not us. We need to be prepared, even if its a formality. I am saying, since India unilaterally has put IWT into cold storage, all these water structures India made under IWT have become.. illegal. And since all illegal structures are demolished, they should as well.
 
Be dazzled said:
Dam gate goes on vacation. Kishan Ganga gate bursted when releasing water.
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I have not laughed this hard in a while. Trust me. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Act of God , or........
 
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