Sharma Ji
Elite Member
The partition boat has long since sailed, last one left in 1971 with a famous surrender.
Got any other ideas, m8 ?
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Got any other ideas, m8 ?
hussain0216
Elite Member
No it hasn't, it's always a option
You can't leave hundreds of millions of people without representation and without protection of their culture faith and history in a state constantly looking to undermine them
Pushing for independence is the ONLY option, otherwise Indian Muslims will constantly be under attack with these types of law-fare
Sharma Ji
Elite Member
As far as Temples are concerned, Doc sb. they are govt regulated iinw ?
but not Mosques and Churches, and they, incidentally (though perhaps not surprisingly) are beneficiaries of foreign funding from their parent organizations abroad.
right ?
Joe Shearer
Professional
I am glad that this line was taken.
It shows clearly the singular and malicious intent of this member who pretends to sympathise with the Muslim Indian, but fails to mention that these wrongs and troubles have happened specifically in the last decade or so.
Joe Shearer
Professional
The problem is that other than some quite obviously motivated external people, nobody is pushing for independence from among the Muslim Indians. Only the trouble-makers and unscrupulous elements that have no footing within the ranks of Muslim Indians are interested.
hussain0216
Elite Member
If the Indian muslims are constantly under attack, then what other option do they have?
India as a state does nothing, literally NOTHING to represent Indian Muslims, hell it barely represents Indian Sikhs, Christians or anyone else
For hundreds of MILLIONS of people, this is a pathetic state to find themselves in
Last I heard Indian parliament had 4 Indian Muslims out of. 200 million population
The consequences of this is the few organizations like the Waqf who protect Indian Muslim history, culture, buildings and lands are constantly under attack, and now subject to politicians who don't have Indian Muslim interests at heart and worst are openly hostile to Indian Muslims
This is a intolerable situation for so many people to find themselves in
Joe Shearer
Professional
All of these, including Muslim Indians, get representation in parliamentary constituencies. Should we go back to the 1930s, and retreat from universal suffrage and universal representation to limited suffrage as well as limited representation?
Is there even a single Indian who is unrepresented by a parliamentary representative?
This is different from being unrepresented. It amounts to reverting to limited electorates - restricted electorates - a concept that cannot co-exist with a secular society and secular government and administration.
Yeah, right.
First time in 75 years and suddenly it has been under threat from the outset.
Either get your spectacles tested, or sit down and read an history book that is not written for Pakistan Studies.
Joe Shearer
Professional
Joe Shearer
Professional
This is why I consider the bhakts of this world to be cowards.
They are heard at their pompous best everywhere, every time, except when it comes to defending the Indian state, the Indian constitution or the state of prevailing conditions in India. When that comes up, all we see is emojis.
Gutless is too soft a word to describe them.
They are heard at their pompous best everywhere, every time, except when it comes to defending the Indian state, the Indian constitution or the state of prevailing conditions in India. When that comes up, all we see is emojis.
Gutless is too soft a word to describe them.
hussain0216
Elite Member
Look, I get it, you believe in a India for all and a secular Congress
But the reality we live in, is the politicians who represent Indian Muslims barely have any of their interests at heart
India as a state pushes one single narrative and that is of the Hindu state, idols, temples and all the rest of it
Name me ONE, Indian program, Indian ship, Indian Missile or Tank or anything named after a Indian Muslim historical figure, or from the language or anything
Do you understand what I'm trying to say, as a state India does nothing to represent these people and the few organizations like the Waqf that have some control over securing and preserving Indian Muslim identity, history and culture are under attack
This is law-fare, in a parliament with very few Muslim voices, which could leave hundreds of millions of people at risk from losing a organization that preserves their identity
Ultimately this is the fruition of Jinnah message and warning whether you like it or not
Sharma Ji
Elite Member
indushek
Trusted Member
What is Waqf Act? Why is politics around it? EXPLAINED
Whenever a government or court attempts to bring in legal reform in subjects related to Muslims, a section of politicians or parties always go against and politicise it for vote-bank politics. From the Shah Bano case to the Triple Talak bill, they opposed the initiatives.
www.indiatvnews.com
Why is politics around Waqf Boards?
Members of Waqf Boards hold significant influence over voters from Muslim communities. These members are directly or indirectly connected with political parties. Congress, the Samajwadi Party, AIMIMI, TMC and other regional parties which toe the line of secularism always oppose the move to any legal reform in the subjects related to the Muslim community. The same kind of criticism emerged when the Centre brought the Triple Talaq Bill to end the discriminatory tradition against women. The AIMPLB urged allies of the ruling NDA and opposition parties to "completely reject any such move" and not allow such amendments to be passed in Parliament.https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...waqf-boards-to-snatch-the-property-of-hindus/
In 2013, this Act was further amended to give unlimited powers to Waqf Boards to snatch anyone’s property, which even could not be challenged in any court of law. In March 2014, just before the commencement of Lok Sabha Elections, the Congress gifted 123 prime properties in Delhi to Delhi Waqf Board by using this law. Due to this black law, thousands of acres of land of Hindus have been snatched away in the country so far. Recently Tamil Nadu waqf Board has declared 6 Villages of Tamil Nadu, including a 1500 years old Hindu Temple as Waqf property.
In fact, the Hindus who came to India after partition from Pakistan, their properties in Pakistan were occupied by the Muslims and the Government of Pakistan. But the Government of India gave the land of Muslims who went from India to Pakistan to the Waqf Boards.
According to the data of Waqf Management System of India, at present there are a total 8,54,509 properties with Waqf Boards which are spread over more than eight lakh acres of land. You will be surprised to know that after the Army and Railways, most of the land is with the Waqf Boards.
Section 40 of the Waqf Act states that when the Waqf Board lays a claim on the land of a person, it is not the responsibility of the Waqf Board to prove the claim on the land, but the real owner of the land has to prove the ownership of his land.
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How can a Country with Constitution, that says secular in its preamble have such law? Doesn't a secular nation mean, everyone is governed the same way?
Secular effectively means: Rules for thee, Not me.
Joe Shearer
Professional
I assure you, 60% of Indians don't agree with the 40% who have elected religious bigots to power. Look at the figures and gauge for yourself.
That is exactly 10 years old, from 2014 onwards, when a criminal came to power.
Idols and temples? A political stunt by people who sold their religious beliefs in the open market to come to power. Would you, yourself, honestly count such scum as belonging to ANY religion? Answer with your conscience, there is no compulsion.
That is an excellent point, and I truly agree, but that is also the result of the services having given up much of their freedom of action to the babus at the centre. To have had a universalist approach, we would have had to run the risk - as you can see from the neighbourhood, a real risk - of the military becoming too strong.
I agree that this should be corrected. It does not amount to more than a cultural slur, however, it is not an existential threat.
I disagree.
Read the writings and watch the videos of Professor Faizan Mustafa, my former VC, who puts the case for Muslim Indians in far fairer form than the self-appointed AIMPLB.
Won't happen.
That's what this thread is all about, remember?
In fact, I have personally evolved from subscribing to Jinnah's role - not his political position - as a totally positive one, to thinking of it as a step too far, as a confused conclusion to his brief from the collective that entrusted him with their care.
You will disagree, but we can discuss why there can be such a point of view about the great man.
Joe Shearer
Professional
@husain0216
I am at this point very very surprised at your posts and my reaction. Without hypocrisy, I had thought you to be a rabid Muslim bigot, with nothing but negative thoughts about the entire body of Hindus, and nothing to offer but violent and bloody solutions.
This thread has given me a wholly different insight into your posts. Clearly, your anguish is genuine, and it drives many statements and posts that taken in isolation might be hurtful or even offensive in impact.
I think you are wrong, but not maliciously inclined. It is a point of view generated here and now, and it governs a desire to let you express yourself freely without obstruction.
I hope I am right.
@Nilgiri
@Krptonite
I am at this point very very surprised at your posts and my reaction. Without hypocrisy, I had thought you to be a rabid Muslim bigot, with nothing but negative thoughts about the entire body of Hindus, and nothing to offer but violent and bloody solutions.
This thread has given me a wholly different insight into your posts. Clearly, your anguish is genuine, and it drives many statements and posts that taken in isolation might be hurtful or even offensive in impact.
I think you are wrong, but not maliciously inclined. It is a point of view generated here and now, and it governs a desire to let you express yourself freely without obstruction.
I hope I am right.
@Nilgiri
@Krptonite
