India’s Quiet Push to Steal More of China’s iPhone Business

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India is quietly grabbing from China more manufacturing of Apple’s iPhones and other electronics gear.

It is happening in South Indian industrial areas on muddy plots that were once farmland.

In Sriperumbudur, people call Apple “the customer,” not daring to say the name of a company that prizes its secrets.

But some things are too big to hide. Two gigantic dormitory complexes are springing up from the earth. Once finished, each will be a tight block of 13 buildings with 24 rooms per floor around an L-shaped hallway. Every one of those pink-painted rooms will have beds for six workers, all women. The two blocks will house 18,720 workers apiece.

It’s a ready-made scene from Shenzhen or Zhengzhou, the Chinese cities famous for their iPhone production prowess. And it’s no wonder.

Sriperumbudur, in the state of Tamil Nadu, is the home of the expanding Indian fortress of Foxconn, the Taiwanese-based company that has long played the largest role in producing iPhones. And as recently as 2019, about 99 percent of them were made in China.

India, as part of a national manufacturing drive, is chipping away at that dominance, when many companies are looking to spread their work to countries other than China. An estimated 13 percent of the world’s iPhones were assembled in India last year, and about three-quarters of those were made in Tamil Nadu. By next year, the volume produced in India is expected to double.

India needs more skilled jobs, and factory work creates them like nothing else. Last year, India overtook China to become the world’s most populous country, and its working-age population is speeding ahead. But turning that demographic bulge into an actual advantage means making India’s workers more productive.

Tamil Nadu might point the way forward. The state of 72 million people is now succeeding in ways that have eluded India as a whole. The national government started subsidizing electronics manufacturing across the country in 2021, setting off a gold rush in places like Noida, next to New Delhi.

But for Tamil Nadu, that incentive is not an essential lure. T.R.B. Rajaa, Tamil Nadu’s minister of industries, can rattle off the state’s inbuilt advantages: schools, transport, engineering graduates.

Mr. Rajaa and other boosters of Tamil Nadu are proud of the human capital their state has built up, and especially of its women. Many of them work in formal jobs, while few women in other states do: 43 percent of all Indian female factory employees work in Tamil Nadu, which is home to 5 percent of the national population.

Parts of Tamil Nadu are already working as industrial champions. A long belt of car and car-part manufacturers stretches down the coast from its capital, Chennai. In the western Coimbatore valley, factories specialize in die-casting and pump manufacturing. There is a knitwear cluster in Tiruppur, and the country’s biggest maker of matchsticks is in Sivakasi.

It is striking that India is plunging into such high-end goods as the iPhone. India has never become internationally competitive making things like T-shirts or sneakers, getting its clock cleaned by smaller and formerly less developed countries like Bangladesh and Vietnam.

This is not the first time this century that India was expected to move up the ranks of high-value electronics manufacturing. Nor the first time that Tamil Nadu seemed like the best launchpad for it. In 2006, Finland’s Nokia, then a cellphone colossus, built a big factory at the center of Sriperumbudur’s government-planned industrial estate. It was supposed to make millions of phones a year, for India and the rest of the world. The smartphone, and the global financial crisis in 2009, knocked down those dreams.

But the roots never died. Sriperumbudur was initially attractive because of its experience in auto manufacturing. Hyundai had set up shop in 1996, soon after India opened up its economy to more foreign investment and Tamil Nadu formed its first state development agency. Glassmaking and basic electrical goods followed. After a lull, the old Nokia site was built over by Salcomp, a local company that makes high-end power chargers, now for companies like Apple. The plants of a dozen other known and rumored Apple suppliers have sprouted around it, along with Samsung, Dell and most other big multinational electronics companies.

On Friday, India’s Republic Day, Young Liu, the chief executive of Foxconn, was in New Delhi to be awarded the Padma Bhushan, the country’s third-highest civilian honor. “Let’s do our part,” he said, “for manufacturing in India and for the betterment of society.”

A flourishing network of small, medium and large businesses contributes to Tamil Nadu’s success. One of them is Sancraft Industries in Sriperumbudur, a company with about $5 million in revenue that makes molded plastic parts for a handful of companies that feed the iPhone machine.

A company founder, Amit Gupta, said that Nokia had “brought the ecosystem here” and that its Finnish engineers had done a lot to usher in global standards. His experience working with an early client, Schneider Electric, a French company, taught him how to integrate his operations with more recent arrivals from South Korea, Taiwan and China.

As host to an international supply chain, Tamil Nadu has drawn restaurants and grocery stores catering to Western and East Asian tastes. “It’s like a small version of China here,” said Mr. Gupta, who worked in Shenzhen 15 years ago.

In India and abroad, there is no shortage of excitement about the prospect of India’s supplanting China in at least some part of global supply chains. By last year, Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, was showing up in India with his palms pressed in namaste, inaugurating the country’s first Apple stores.

All told, more than 130 Fortune 500 companies are doing business in Tamil Nadu.

The electronics campuses in Sriperumbur look remarkably alike. Gardened grounds and parking lots filled with dozens of white buses separate low-slung assembly plants. The buses shuttle thousands of workers to and from their homes, in villages 30 to 60 miles away.

Inside one Apple supplier, blue-smocked workers in surgical masks walked past banks of white-aluminum-cladded machinery on paths marked by yellow arrows stuck on the floor. Low ceilings, long clear sightlines and placards exhorting good behavior in English and Tamil completed the effect.

There are more to come. Corning, the American glassmaker, is setting up a factory that could produce iPhone’s Gorilla Glass screens, and Vietnam’s VinFast Auto has announced a $2 billion facility to make electric vehicles.

Mr. Rajaa, the state industry minister, isn’t stopping at $1,000 smartphones, either. He and other officials in Tamil Nadu are trying to attract more businesses making cheaper things, too, in greater volume. If the rest of the country could follow Tamil Nadu, India might be able to produce enough of the less-skilled jobs its young and growing population needs.

Mr. Rajaa spent the first week of January regaling foreign investors with plans that included a budding new industrial cluster, focused on non-leather footwear. About 140 miles south of Sriperumbudur, Nikes, Adidases and Crocs are just starting to roll off the lines in Perambalur.
 
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steal? somebody needs lessons in language basics.

That aside, Xi has completely screwed up China in the name of broadening the wealth there. It was/is a noble goal and I compliment him for that but he has no clue how to go about it.
 
steal? somebody needs lessons in language basics.

That aside, Xi has completely screwed up China in the name of broadening the wealth there. It was/is a noble goal and I compliment him for that but he has no clue how to go about it.
Like Xi really cares about Apple leaving China. Do you think an American company leaving China is a big surprise for China? China has Huawei.
 

India big gainer from China plus one strategy! 'Goods exports to almost double to $835 billion'; here’s why​

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India and Vietnam are emerging as key beneficiaries of the “China plus one” strategy, a global initiative aimed at diversifying supply chains away from heavy reliance on China. According to a recent report by Nomura, this strategic shift is expected to open up new avenues for growth across Asian economies.

Nomura’s analysis suggests a significant uptick in India’s goods export potential, projecting a surge to $835 billion by 2030, a substantial leap from the $431 billion recorded in 2023. Central to this growth trajectory is India’s robust domestic market, which is proving to be a magnet for companies seeking alternatives to China for their manufacturing and supply chain operations.

Industries spanning electronics, apparel, toys, automobiles, capital goods, and semiconductor manufacturing are increasingly eyeing India as a favourable investment destination, drawn by the prospect of tapping into its vast consumer base.

Of these sectors, electronics is anticipated to experience the most rapid expansion, with exports poised to register a staggering compound annual growth rate of 24 per cent, reaching $83 billion by 2030. Similarly, machinery exports are forecasted to more than double, climbing from $28 billion in 2023 to $61 billion by the end of the decade.

Nomura underscores that despite relatively modest production-linked incentive (PLI) disbursements, India remains primed for deeper integration into global value chains. The country’s appeal lies in a combination of factors, including its expansive market size, rapid economic growth, competitive labour costs, and stable political and economic landscape. These factors collectively position India as an attractive destination for manufacturing consumer goods, both for domestic consumption and export purposes.

Companies and their Chinese manufacturing partners who have moved away from China, and into Vietnam and India have seen some impressive numbers. More and more EU & US-based companies therefore want their manufacturing partners to move to India and Vietnam. Just last week, reports surfaced according to which, US-based EV maker Tesla has asked its partners to focus on India and Vietnam.

Moreover, Nomura predicts that India’s share of global trade will see a notable uptick, rising to 2.8 per cent by 2030, driven by the growing competitiveness of its production capabilities. This anticipated surge in trade is expected to contribute to an overall improvement in India’s trade balance and current account, potentially leading to currency appreciation.

Nomura’s research also highlights a growing interest among investors in both India and Vietnam. US-based companies, particularly in the electronics sector, are among the prominent players investing in India, while Japan and Korea are also making substantial investments across various sectors such as auto, consumer durables, and electronics. These investments are driven by the desire to leverage India’s expanding domestic market and utilize the country as a strategic manufacturing hub.

Looking ahead, the strengthening of India’s manufacturing sector and its increasing share in global exports are poised to bolster corporate sector growth, sustaining robust earnings growth rates of 12-17 per cent over the medium term.
 
Can a Chinese poster explain likely iPhone sales in china?

If the Chinese market moves away that would hurt apple, there are record sales however in china
 
Most Components Are Still Made In Cina.China Has Complete Value Chains Within It's Borders.It Has A Manufacturing Ecosystem Developed Over 4 Decades.India Does Not Have That.All It Will Take Is For Xi Is To Impose Export Duties On Those Components Or Even Ban Them Completely
 
Most Components Are Still Made In Cina.China Has Complete Value Chains Within It's Borders.It Has A Manufacturing Ecosystem Developed Over 4 Decades.India Does Not Have That.All It Will Take Is For Xi Is To Impose Export Duties On Those Components Or Even Ban Them Completely
These are of course unique and cannot be replicated. Given the cultural, spiritual and moral superiority of one nation over all others in the world, their success in replicating western systems built over centuries in only four decades can never be repeated by others starting from a higher level and building identical supply chains in half the time.
 
Most Components Are Still Made In Cina.China Has Complete Value Chains Within It's Borders.It Has A Manufacturing Ecosystem Developed Over 4 Decades.India Does Not Have That.All It Will Take Is For Xi Is To Impose Export Duties On Those Components Or Even Ban Them Completely
Even for iphone in assembled many of the components are from outside china such as South Korea, Taiwan, Japan ….
 
Can a Chinese poster explain likely iPhone sales in china?

If the Chinese market moves away that would hurt apple, there are record sales however in china
However, Apple’s sales in China are actually falling
Apple’s struggles were most worrisome in China, the world’s second-largest smartphone market, where sales fell 8 percent. The iPhone’s popularity there has waned since Huawei, which the Trump administration restricted from working with U.S. technology firms, introduced a new smartphone with 5G abilities last year. Last quarter, Apple’s share of smartphones sold in China fell 4 percent, according to Counterpoint, a technology research firm.
 
Even for iphone in assembled many of the components are from outside china such as South Korea, Taiwan, Japan ….
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The most expensive parts of a phone such as Processor, memory chip, camera lens and touchscreen are all made in either Japan, SK or Taiwan. Some other critical parts such as gyroscope come from Germany and other countries. If I remember correctly, even for China the IPhone indigenization percentage by value is around 20-25%. Until 2019, it was actually less than 10%. Only recently did China start manufacturing batteries, speakers etc for the IPhone which increased their percentage.

I hope at least in the next few years we can develop expertise in medium value components such as batteries and speakers.Now even though the percentage of Chinese components has increased. You can see, for most of the countries it is around 20%.

What is the threshold of value addition, for a country to be considered an iPhone manufacturers. The supplers are distributed accross the global & none of them have a majority stake (50% value addition) in iphone manufacturing.

Most ICs like DRAM, Flash, Processors, MEMS, camera module and even display which is semiconductor and battery cells are made in Taiwan, US, Japan or Korea.
These items are the crown jewels of those countries, and also make a large portion of the Bill-of-Materials cost of a phone and super spy like Chinese also has troubles stealing said tech, so at best they are limited to low end production of such items, like their ICs will use a larger technology node( SMIC of China theoretically can do 14nm chip production, their production in reality is 20nm and below, meanwhile you have TSMC at 5nm ), their displays will be LCD instead of OLED or MicroLED or whatever hot shit there is now.

The only state of the art Chinese production of this is of NAND Flash by Samsung in Xian and SK Hynix somewhere else in China.

What parts they add into their phones depends on what $$$ it's going to sell for, high-end phones with cutting edge specs will have higher percentage of imported components which are indeed state of the art, lower end phones will have greater chinese contribution, like the screen may come from BOE displays which is a chinese vendor for example.

But even with low end phones they cannot fully supplant the Ebul Phoreners and go full Atmanirbhar Cheen, market forces and customer preferences discourage it, also the capabilities of their companies.
 
However, Apple’s sales in China are actually falling
Apple’s struggles were most worrisome in China, the world’s second-largest smartphone market, where sales fell 8 percent. The iPhone’s popularity there has waned since Huawei, which the Trump administration restricted from working with U.S. technology firms, introduced a new smartphone with 5G abilities last year. Last quarter, Apple’s share of smartphones sold in China fell 4 percent, according to Counterpoint, a technology research firm.
This will be interesting to see, can the Indian market replace lost Chinese sales?
 
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The most expensive parts of a phone such as Processor, memory chip, camera lens and touchscreen are all made in either Japan, SK or Taiwan. Some other critical parts such as gyroscope come from Germany and other countries. If I remember correctly, even for China the IPhone indigenization percentage by value is around 20-25%. Until 2019, it was actually less than 10%. Only recently did China start manufacturing batteries, speakers etc for the IPhone which increased their percentage.

I hope at least in the next few years we can develop expertise in medium value components such as batteries and speakers.Now even though the percentage of Chinese components has increased. You can see, for most of the countries it is around 20%.

What is the threshold of value addition, for a country to be considered an iPhone manufacturers. The supplers are distributed accross the global & none of them have a majority stake (50% value addition) in iphone manufacturing.

Most ICs like DRAM, Flash, Processors, MEMS, camera module and even display which is semiconductor and battery cells are made in Taiwan, US, Japan or Korea.
These items are the crown jewels of those countries, and also make a large portion of the Bill-of-Materials cost of a phone and super spy like Chinese also has troubles stealing said tech, so at best they are limited to low end production of such items, like their ICs will use a larger technology node( SMIC of China theoretically can do 14nm chip production, their production in reality is 20nm and below, meanwhile you have TSMC at 5nm ), their displays will be LCD instead of OLED or MicroLED or whatever hot shit there is now.

The only state of the art Chinese production of this is of NAND Flash by Samsung in Xian and SK Hynix somewhere else in China.

What parts they add into their phones depends on what $$$ it's going to sell for, high-end phones with cutting edge specs will have higher percentage of imported components which are indeed state of the art, lower end phones will have greater chinese contribution, like the screen may come from BOE displays which is a chinese vendor for example.

But even with low end phones they cannot fully supplant the Ebul Phoreners and go full Atmanirbhar Cheen, market forces and customer preferences discourage it, also the capabilities of their companies.
Too many wrong data
According to Bloomberg, TechInsights' disassembly confirmed
Huawei's new phone PURA70
The chip is Kirin 9010 7nm process from SMIC
NAND storage from Yangtze Memory Technologies Co
6.6-inch OLED straight screen from BOE, Visionox
 

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