Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

bengalcdn said:
I think the Saudi Pakistan pact is specifically for Israel or some other power who the US won’t support the Saudis to retaliate.
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Nope, it is for Iraqi and Yemeni militias and to protect Al Saud from their people. Pakistan cannot stop Israeli missiles nor its Air Force and besides, entire GCC is in bed with Israel. Bahrain and UAE are merely open about it.

But that's another topic.
 
Prophecy said:
I do understand ur point of view.

What I feel is it will further compromise on Saudi Arabia long term sovereignty. It is digging itself deeper and deeper.

The moment Zion has removed obstacles in its path. Gaza and Syria is done. Today is Iran, there will be a next target in a few years. It's the logical progression of their ambitions.

They can be as loyal puppies as they want, when the time comes everything from 6 trillion investment fund to military security agreements and allies will disappear and get confiscated with the snap of a finger.

We are dealing with a very cunning and methodological enemy. Even little gulf statelets will turn their back and work against them. Target will be just SA instead of Iran, maybe a variation of Iran will be among the coalition to get back and take revenge.

The best way forward is to start diverging, make a new security architecture without Zion (America is just a horse which Zion rides), work towards ending regional rivalries between regional Muslim countries.

Kissing trump ass has it's own high which makes you arrogant and gives you the feeling you are the emperor sitting in tall glass cities with dollars and fancy toys, but it's just an illusion until it's your turn.

Someone mentioned above it is only because houtis are Muslims that SA has not turned it into Gaza we have all the allies(Zion) on our side. They are not unable to see if houtis were not Muslims and not enemies of Zion instead were Jewish settlers in yemen. It would have been SA which would have been turned into Gaza and the whole world (the block they consider allies) will participate.
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What I meant was that Arabs of Arabian Peninsula have more depth than some like to believe. And I'm not an Arab from Arabian Peninsula, I'm Palestinian. Saudi Arabia like Monarchy of Iran or today's Islamic Republic of Iran can go tomorrow but there remains two large civilizations, there always remain civilizations, even beyond Muslims. Thus war on each other may not achieve what people think it will it's like a leader that thinks he can have influence everything happening in his society or control everybody, in the end he finds out even if he's a leader and a great one, he has to let go of assuming he can manifest some kind of new realities. It's only Allah and Allah gave people sovereignty as part of free will test and it isn't even leaders place to attempt to to manifest and direct reality. We have to let go of it.

At the same time there's clearly issues of importance and tension that cannot be wished away and it could get worse before it gets better.

If this evolves into a Muslim on Muslim war it's definitely one where we will ultimately regret it and don't really want it even as we hit that peak of sectarian and ethnic strife in 2010s decade, imo.

Who knows what's going to happen I'll just observe from afar.
 


It Seems like US did something that didn’t make the mainstream news. Either an attack on IRGC forces outside of Iran, an assassination, or some other attack that warranted the IRGC to respond.

This attack on Jordan was not random but rather sounds like it was in response to something the US did
 

IRGC ‘strikes and stops’ three oil tankers in Hormuz​

Iran’s IRGC has “struck and stopped” three oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, according to the semi-official Tasnim news agency.

“Three oil tankers that continued to move along an unsafe and illegal route, ignoring our warnings, were struck and stopped”, the IRGC said.

It warned that any vessel following “illegal interference or orders” from the US in the Strait of Hormuz “will not go unanswered”.
 
shapurzolaktaf said:

IRGC ‘strikes and stops’ three oil tankers in Hormuz​

Iran’s IRGC has “struck and stopped” three oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, according to the semi-official Tasnim news agency.

“Three oil tankers that continued to move along an unsafe and illegal route, ignoring our warnings, were struck and stopped”, the IRGC said.

It warned that any vessel following “illegal interference or orders” from the US in the Strait of Hormuz “will not go unanswered”.
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My guess is the U.S. has been attacking Iranian speedboats the past couple nights and finally Iran responded today.

The fact that Trump didn’t tweet anything and the fact US didn’t respond a couple hours later like they normally do, means they know they did something behind the scenes that caused this Iranian attack.

It’s completely uncharacteristic of Iran to randomly decide to fire 5 missiles at the U.S. unprovoked. They don’t have the guts for such actions.

Def something happen in the strait of Hormuz or elsewhere to get Iran to react.
 
Immortals said:
My guess is the U.S. has been attacking Iranian speedboats the past couple nights and finally Iran responded today.

The fact that Trump didn’t tweet anything and the fact US didn’t respond a couple hours later like they normally do, means they know they did something behind the scenes that caused this Iranian attack.

It’s completely uncharacteristic of Iran to randomly decide to fire 5 missiles at the U.S. unprovoked. They don’t have the guts for such actions.

Def something happen in the strait of Hormuz or elsewhere to get Iran to react.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. Might be Iranian messaging to Netanyahu and Trump or for a change Iran is starting to take over the initiative.
 
I found some great articles that talk about why more Iranian missiles are getting through and what they have been hitting since the start of the latest round of hostilities on July 8th. I have the archived links.

FT : How Iran adapted the missile war with Donald Trump

Intercept : iran has figured out how to overwhelm US defenses.
 
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