Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Magi]

Guys this isn’t over until there is regime change in either country. They want Iran either to be a puppet or dysfunctional with civil strife. Anything less is just kicking the can down the road.

Iran needs to arm up and arm up fast.

Make nice with China and Russia and possibly North Korea and replenish missile stocks and try to obtain aircraft and SAMS.

It’s basically gonna be a race to see who can
re arm fastest.

The US will arm up even faster. That's playing by their rules. Iran's best chance was to continue the war while it had the upper hand, before Islamabad MoU. Iran could have kept the Strait closed tightly, and continued fighting until the sand statelets dissolved. The Iranian military by all accounts had the ability to keep up the tempo.

I think it is already too late at this point. This war is lost. I was shocked when rumors of another negotiation came out. Now I am watching a slow motion trainwreck and downward spiral for years to come. Absolutely heartbreaking. My fault for expecting more from a retarded system like IR.

 

[KAL-EL]

Man I’m telling you I reread my posts I was missing so many words to complete my sentences it gets worse as the night goes by goodnight

Good night my friend

 

[Magi]

We need to gear up on Chinese arsenal after the war. Especially for their J-10's and J-15's.

China does not want Iran to have the upper hand. They helped neutralize Iran's main weapon, the Strait, by reducing their crude oil purchases. Providing weapons to Iran is contrary to actions they have taken so far. Iran has no friends but the regional groups. And Iran has thrown them under the bus one by one.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[KAL-EL]

China does not want Iran to have the upper hand. They helped neutralize Iran's main weapon, the Strait, by reducing their crude oil purchases. Providing weapons to Iran is contrary to actions they have taken so far. Iran has no friends but the regional groups. And Iran has thrown them under the bus one by one.

There's a lot of hopium going around here. Some members actually thought China or even Russia would directly intervene in the war.

Neither country is going to start world war 3 over this.

 

[sutton9999]

 

[Immortals]

 

[Jalz]

Waste of ammunition ngl

 

[Magi]

Reduce oil purchases to help the US bleed Iran longer. Sell just enough materiel to Iran to bleed the US more but not tip the balance. Also arm the RSF through UAE to murder entire villages and throw their bodies in water wells.

 

[RzA]

Dadash this is not about Trump. Do you remember 7 countries in 5 years? Which path to Persia? The project for a new American Century? A clean break? This plan has been in the works since before the 2001 Iraq invasion. All the invasions since 2001 have been paving the path to Iran.

These ceasefire agreements and on again off again wars just wreck the country. Iran will not see any tangible benefit and if they do, the US will claw it back many folds and bomb more factories. Even after signing the JCPOA they said they expected regime change before its sunset clauses came into effect. They just will not stop. They won't. They will keep chipping away regardless of who is in office.

The sellouts inside Iran signing and pushing for deals and ceasefires are plants. Nobody at that level of political leadership is that naive. That excuse is an insult to our intelligence.

You nailed it. It’s a slow-motion disaster. You’ve already gone over the edge, and now you just have to sit there and agonize over the impact.

Waste of ammunition ngl

We wasted just as much!

China does not want Iran to have the upper hand. They helped neutralize Iran's main weapon, the Strait, by reducing their crude oil purchases. Providing weapons to Iran is contrary to actions they have taken so far. Iran has no friends but the regional groups. And Iran has thrown them under the bus one by one.

I don't blame them. Imagine being the Chinese and having to deal with a mental midget like the IR on a daily basis. I'm actually impressed by their level of patience and how tolerant they been overall. Of course it works both ways, resource wise and geopolitically but as some point even the Chinese will just tell us to **** off and it will probably happen sooner than you think. In fact, we already got glimpses of that in this war.

 

[Flotilla]

I have no issue with Iran should it Go nuclear. I'll just repeat what I said that you were responding to

Once Iran goes nuclear like any other nuclear country, Iran will have the nuclear bullseye pointed at them.

And yes, it could quite possibly start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. A very real possibility.

The nuclear race was started by Israel, with stations at Irak, Syria and even Lybia. Just Irán seems to be more achievable. Please, don't hide the truth.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Explains why Mojtaba has been keeping a low profile.

The most dangerous thing facing any nation is whether their own leadership is compromised.

If the Iranian leadership isn't compromised, the americans could kill ten million iranians and they wouldn't be able to topple iran. But if your leadership is heavily infiltrated, then its really about creating the domestic conditions which opens the doors for the "agents" to set the agenda in motion.

Its like the enemy within your own fort, its only once the enemy is at the walls that he can do his damage and open the doors from within.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Waste of ammunition ngl

Gaza is this tiny strip of flat land, surrounded by the isreali army and navy on all 4 sides. The Palestinians comparatively to iran have militarily next to nothing. They have dropped indiscriminately the equivalent of multiple atom bombs on the region. A few years in and that war isn't over.

The point im making is that if the iranians don't want to give in, then it would take the americans a hundreds years of bombing iran relentlessly to achieve the same results.

The real threat facing iran is domestic sentiment, how long Iranians are willing to live under these conditions. That's where the war ultimately is going to be won or lost. If iranians are willing to endure, then its just about iran holding their ground and waiting it out.

 

[Flotilla]

The “Leaky” Strait of Hormuz.

And some members tried to tell me it’s closed and zero ships passing thru.

Nobody can say that SOH is completely closed. The question is, how much time can US Navy deploy a Carrier Strike Group there, and have E3, KC135 and dozens of aircrafts just to play at hide and seek between IRGC batteries and the aircrafts.
That is why they're passing. Because they ve deployed a formidable Air cover. And even with It, any Shaheds 101 or 136 with seeker can be launched and give a bad momentum to those ships (happens daily).