Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Who are you to determine our fate and what's good for us? I'm so tired of foreigners putting the fear in us about an alternative government. Worry about your country instead, or better yet, maybe you can start advocating for Italians to fill in our shoes? But I bet you won't. An interesting thing I noticed about certain hypocrites is that you want us to do x, y, and z but none of your nations are willing to make the sacrifices we make. You continue to sit your asses on the sidelines dictating our future while content with the benefits your reap with the Western World.

no need to attack him, he is allowed his opinion

but you are right that Iranians are held to a higher standard than others

 

[Persian Gulf]

It is one thing to have weapons, and it is a whole other thing to be able to use them.

When you walk on the street, there are plenty of people that you can beat the crap out of them in an argument. But you don't do that because you're afraid of the consequences and going to prison. The same thing applies to the Ayatollahs.

They have missiles, and they can produce more. But they won't be able to use them because the cost of using those missiles against actual targets is too much.

This is why I insisted for years that Iran without nuclear deterrence is not capable of targeting Israel or even Arabs. Even if Iran has the world's most accurate long-range missiles, we won't be able to use them against the US Navy, Israel or Arabs without nuclear deterrence.

Nukes are certainly crucial, especially if you threaten to destroy a nuclear armed enemy. but I don't think it is that simple.

IRI had the balls to hit Las Raffan in Qatar and aim for civilians in Tel Aviv. but at other times they showed weakness. different power structures in IRI are fighting over everything, with no leader to decide the overall direction. this leads to a lack of coherent strategy and constantly reacting to developments.

also worth noting that Ukraine has the balls to hit everything in Russia despite not having nukes.

 

[ShapurII]

The Iranian regime may not be all that great, but the alternative being put forward is a puppet government in the pay of the US and Israel, whose second move – after abandoning the Palestinians, Yemenis and Lebanese to their fate – will be to sign documents renouncing nuclear capabilities – in any form – long-range missiles, control of the Strait of Hormuz and sovereignty over its own oil resources.

That is a good alternative honestly. Right now we're a puppet government selling our resources for the penny to China, Russia and for the cause of Palestine. If tomorrow China decides to stop buying our oil, Iranians will have to eat grass like North Koreans.

I don't give a flying duck about Palestinians or the Lebanese people. If it were up to me, I would happily arm Israel to bomb the duck out of them. Heck, I would even send Iranian soldiers to help the Israelis bomb the eff out of them.

As for the Yemenis, I respect the Houthis of Yemen for having balls and standing for their independence but that's about it.

As for our nuclear capabilities, there's no such thing. Iran never had nuclear capabilities to begin with. I wouldn't call a few thousand IR-1 and IR-2 machines producing miniscule amounts of enriched uranium "nuclear capability".

 

[Watandar]

More Patriots batteries sent to Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

https://www.axios.com/2026/10/02/patriot-missiles-iran-war-saudi-arabia-qatar

 

[ShapurII]

Nukes are certainly crucial, especially if you threaten to destroy a nuclear armed enemy. but I don't think it is that simple.

IRI had the balls to hit Las Raffan in Qatar and aim for civilians in Tel Aviv. but at other times they showed weakness. different power structures in IRI are fighting over everything, with no leader to decide the overall direction. this leads to a lack of coherent strategy and constantly reacting to developments.

also worth noting that Ukraine has the balls to hit everything in Russia despite not having nukes.

Yeah, we hit Las Raffan but did we ever hit anything of critical value in Israel? Did we hit the US Navy? Everything seems to be normal in the Emirates and Israel now. And we killed only 20-30 American soldiers after they killed over 5,000 of us + our most important political figure.

We can bully Oman, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain. But that's about it. That's the extent of our capabilities without nuclear deterrence. Even the Emirates and Saudi Arabia have been treated way too kindly.

 

[Immortals]

Europe has plenty of diesel and gasoline stocks they could release to insulate the region. The Iranian policy of waiting for something to break in global economy is not working.

 

[ShapurII]

Europe has plenty of diesel and gasoline stocks they could release to insulate the region. The Iranian policy of waiting for something to break in global economy is not working.

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Iran had a shot in March when everybody was surprised by Iran's performance and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

But after Iran accepted the ceasefire, people changed their plans obviously. They're not stupid. When you give them time to prepare, they will.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Nukes are certainly crucial, especially if you threaten to destroy a nuclear armed enemy. but I don't think it is that simple.

IRI had the balls to hit Las Raffan in Qatar and aim for civilians in Tel Aviv. but at other times they showed weakness. different power structures in IRI are fighting over everything, with no leader to decide the overall direction. this leads to a lack of coherent strategy and constantly reacting to developments.

also worth noting that Ukraine has the balls to hit everything in Russia despite not having nukes.

Yes - Ukraine is a good example of a country with no nukes, hitting everything it can with a country has nukes. Ukraine has been unrestrained in its conduct of warfare and we are all wondering why Iran is not following the Ukrainian example.

Unless a pre-emptive attack by Iran can actually stop an American attack, it would do well to use the time to prepare, restock, rest their people and get ready for the next round with a more effective military strategy. Learn their lessons and implement them in the field. If/when the next round starts, Iran needs to drop this tit-for-tat, calibrated responses ladder and actually go after the countries that are attacking them by actually hitting their military targets with a view to destroying and hurting real things. Something that has been lacking in Iran's responses. Actually take out a ship, rather than "warning shots to keep them away etc".

The USA is coming after all of Iran's infrastructure this time, electrical, water, industrial - everything this time, and Iran would do well to understand and prepare it's operation's on that basis.

The American's keep coming back because Iran's responses have been weak, and at low cost them to them so far to the point where they think they have Iran contained, etc.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Meanwhile, IRGC is quoting the Bible in 100 page letters to the average American slob, thinking this has even a remote impact on Trump's psychopathy and compromised existence.

I'm not about to read a 100-page letter of rambling nonsense.

Nor do I have a bird otherwise the letter would serve a better purpose.

 

[Immortals]

good news for Iran. Fed unlikely to increase rates given weaker jobs market. Meaning bond markets will continue to punish Fed by dumping treasuries, increasing yields of US debt.

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