Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Cicero said:
Iranian government, is this part of the master plan?

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Cicero said:
This is nowhere near enough compared to the damage Israel is inflicting on Iran.

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If you rely on these sources, yes
 
TruthSeeker said:
The USA electorate, largely, has accepted the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. The machinations of various Palestinian groups, such as Hamas, and their supporters, such as Iran, have refused to accept Israel in the sense that they will cease trying to destroy it. Until the USA electorate changes its mind about Israel's "right to exist" it will not be seen as a "rogue state" for its actions to protect itself. Even the terrible destruction and death in Gaza is not seen as "genocide" by the majority of Americans but rather as a terrible "cost of war". Americans cannot understand why the actions of Israel in Gaza are seen by some as "genocide" but the actions of Russia in the Ukraine are not, by the same people. The crux of the matter is whether or not Israel's right to exist can be accepted, even though it may be the unjust result of 20th century big power politics, which were largely European but also included the Ottomans.
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Isn't that the crux of the problem. US electorate deciding future of people living on the other side of the planet! Before US it was the UK that provided the beach head and laid the groundwork for these euro terrorists to establish.

US electorate as in maga crowd actually wanted out of this but simultaneously believes in the great replacement.

Here is another problem for you and spokesman for America as in Mark Levin light... American electorate is growing sick and tired of this sick project. Stand in the street corners in give sermons... get the believers back in the program.
 
MLK! said:
That supply route is existential, people have fought for much less. - And let's not pretend that all people in Syria were innocent peace seeking people, the revolution was hijacked by western sponsored Jihadi head-choppers, Hezbollah fought mostly those factions. Let's not forget that this shit spilled over into Iraq, where there was no "Bashar Al Assad"

Jolani the "ruler" of Syria is one of these head chopping"factions.
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You do not understand the reality of Syria at all. I dare you to bring me a Syrian who lived under Assad who shares this view.

Foreign entities will always take advantage of situations but Assad was a brutal alawaite dictator and Iran backed him against many innocent Muslims.

There are kids born into prisons in Syria who grew up there never seeing day of light.

You are clueless to how much of a savage Bashar Al Assad was. He btw was not even a strict Shia which if he was I would understand Irans support. He was a fully westernized Alawite with hardly any link to Islam
 
Aggregate said:
Yeah, Pakistanis are different in that respect. I mean look at the UK. I was living in London for years and I hardly ever saw any 'white people' other than the very central London. The place has fully turned into another Pakistan. But No matter what the Pakistanis are there, and no matter how many of them there are, they are never ever, sabotagers. Far from it.

Indians with their newfound (although ill-founded) sense of superiority are trying to run their own politics everywhere as each feels like they are a mini James-Bond in their own right serving Indian interests no matter where they live. they see every country, every nationality with a filter of pro-India/anti-India. The whole psyche has changed since BJP/RSS started running India and the guys have no respect for anyone anymore. They might have been different in the past but they have become pretty dangerous in a matter of hindutva type ideologies now. Maybe that's why the US is already kicking them out. Middle East usually follows US in every single thing so they might start it soon enough as well.
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American companies are an example. As long as there is an Indian executive, within three months, he can use his power to recruit a large number of Indians. You can find that Indians have occupied American jobs in American companies.
 
CNN, citing sources, said the US aircraft carrier USS Ford is expected to deploy to Europe next week, near the Middle East.
 
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Cicero said:
That doesn't answer why Iran is shooting considerably less missiles now than before if they are winning?
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No one said Irans winning this is just survival mode if they can withstand this onslaught the Israelis will slaughter themselves if they give up too soon Iranians will slaughter the Iranian government
 
RescueRanger said:
CNN, citing sources, said the US aircraft carrier USS Ford is expected to deploy to Europe next week, near the Middle East.
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Are they planning to use the previous large-scale air strike methods first? Iran is not Iraq, so this kind of attrition war may not be effective
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
Exactly... interceptors are a finite commodity. In this case the most valuable!
In a war where Iran has equal reach unlike any other conflict in recent history. It is not possible to provide safety or security to forces, bases or assets.

For US to intervene it must be able to project impunity.
It has peer competitors!!!
Looming crisis...
US cannot intervene knowing the risks involved and insufficient resources.
At best it could be a hit an run but that will imperil regional bases.

This war has been a disaster already for zion... this war has also sharply downgraded and exposed the collective in its ability to project sustained power. Once you know the limits... it becomes easier to roll back and level up.
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You are absolutely right.



I would add that something else has happened too. Muslim nation's unnatural aversion to war is gone. Since the Iraq war muslim Psyche became war avoidant due to unconscious place we held for Iraq as it was once heart of muslim power. WE started avoiding wars and often allowed others to blackmail us.


This finally changing now including for Pakistan. First short war with india and now this massive unjustified assault on Iran and ( and immense immense patience shown by the lionheart people of Gaza) has energized even Pakistan and many in rest of muslim world that war may be bad but we can handle it. Even Indian attack that literally involved the best Russian or French technology had to offer, from brahmos,, to cruise missiles and other stand off weapons of various kinds, actually only few made it and did some damage but that has massively added to our learning. Not to mention WE learned how hard it is to harm Pakistan for the enemy. That we are a huge country that can take the hits after hits and still respond. Plus it takes far too much to hurt a country so we can't be destroyed even by the largest power that easily and even if we sit passively doing nothing.



Same is true for Iran. Even though war is hard and full of hardship, they will learn that facing is much better than avoiding the war since our enemies actually intend to destroy us for no bloody reason. They want a regime where we live like cats and dogs serving only our animistic needs. Genuine moral values that built character are not needed in their world view. serving the flesh its freedom. Or else its not. 'We must follow or else we will be killed. We also cannot choose who to be friends with. If they don’t like China or Russia, then we must obey them and ditch these nations.

A total slavery is proudly being referred to as freedom. Savagery is called protecting freedom. Robing and looting while secretly controlling nations is freedom. Creating civil wars in Congo and elsewhere, installing puppets so that African babies suffer and die, but they get their “natural resources” using “Lobito Corridor” what a narcissistic self-entitled barbaric people.

They love to keep us vulnerable and weak. They harm, push us to limits and then when we react, and engage them, we are declared as the threat. Every year Israel was killing 100s' of children alone long before this war with total impunity.

Eventually someone was bound to go the extreme. especially under desperation.

Israel was narcissistically asking recognition, that muslim must trade with them, make them rich, while killing the very same muslims in Palestine and wherever they can. They were asking while they kill muslim children, muslims must let them create energy corridor using muslim energy resources to make cash for themselves and the other evil twin, india. Will amercia do that or europe if you do this to their people. Off course NOT. BUT Muslim must.

We are NOT worthy of freely choosing who we recognize, be friends with or do even trade with as we must follow "their sanction rules". That's freedom and liberty. Even in wars we must join, even their wars have nothing to do wiith us. We must give them bases, keep their stuff safe with our lives and help them kill more civilian and destroy nations so that their industry can make and test weapons on other humans. Because they have somethign callled "military industrial complex". We are here to serve that savage system and its called freedom. We better get nukes then.

Iran or other Muslims cannot have nukes so that they can do to them what they have been doing in the west banks and Gaza. Time to listen to such orders are long gone now. We now must fight for our actual freedom and be able to get whatever weapons we feel we need to keep ourselves safe. We can’t have our babies getting slaughtered by rabid dogs like they are doing to our little ones in Gaza. Muslim world should stop taking instructions from such monsters. Dealing with them once and for all is the way to go. We must unite to face this menace. Nations like Israel have NO consciousness or any sense of humanity. they can't be told they are wrong. They are programmed in a delusional visicous belief system where one of them has value far more than entire humanity whose job is to serve them.

They shoot unarmed young hungry children by luring them to "food distribution centers" run partly by US. They shoot tank rounds on them, Open fire on them, so they suffer with severe injuries and then they destroy hospitals so that muslim children with broken bones, bullet wounds, burn bodies, scream and scream until they die who were kept hungry and starving for months and years now in the first place. That evil nation wants recognition. it ordering us hey you cannot have nukes as you are bad. You have to be pure devil to accept such nation. Getting nukes agaist such nation is greatest act of good deed one can do.

Israel is devoid of humanity. Whose war doctrine begin with coward principle of attacking civilians. By nature, they rely on cruel deception and lying with no shame whatsoever. The only just war is against nations like Israel
 
Iran Leaving NPT means two things

  • Enrichment, building 10-15 weapons
  • Acquiring Nuclear Weapons as Deterrence from Friendly Nation (Possible)
 
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