Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[That_Guy]

Iran has undeniably established itself as a missile power in the region, excelling in both ballistic and hypersonic technologies- despite heavy sanctions and immense challenges.

Some of us have criticized Iran for lacking a capable air force and modern air defense systems. But perhaps the Iranian military understood that competing in those areas was unrealistic, given Israel's overwhelming superiority. Instead, they pursued a strategy centered on missile development-a path that requires less maintenance and allows for mass production. That strategy now appears to be yielding results. As it was once said "quantity is also a form of quality".

Hopefully, Pakistan is observing this closely and taking steps to diversify its own capabilities, particularly by building up a stockpile of hypersonic missiles.

I'd argue that having an airforce that's somewhat modern would still have helped, as Iran would be able to contest the skies and force Israel to be more careful.

Regardless, their missile investments paid off.

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[StrategicBear]

I am pretty sure 2 MOPs would be enough to damage. Knowing USA they will drop 5 to ensure complete destruction.

I hope Iranians have already moved out their uranium to somewhere safer.

If Fordow goes so does Dimona and all Israeli Nuke Reactors and All of their Power Plants.

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Welcome to the group, bro, I was a middle manager at an airline, I helped save millions of dollars, not just once, but closer to half dozen times, I got a 150.00 gift certificate for my troubles. My bosses stole most of ideas and passed it off as their own....but, it I was okay, I didn't give 2 shits frankly, I was flipping and rehabing houses, that mid level job allowed me to work from home, and those flips in the last 10 yrs helped me make the equivalent of my annual salary every 6 months or so. Now, I own 7 houses free and clear. I retired at 55
Those bosses, all of them are still working....

DHL treated me well. Very well. It was just that one manager. Expert at telling upper management what they wanted to hear regardless of reality. Never met a good idea he didn't claim as his own and no issues throwing his own team under the bus so long as his hands didn't get dirty.

When he left, all I said was "good riddance".

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[That_Guy]

Chinese are not Americans, the Chinese have no ambition to become a global empire/world police.

Superpowers tend to not have a choice on the matter.

If Pax China is on the Horizon, or even if it's a future multi-polar world, China will have to step up if it wants to push forward with its geopolitical interests.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I am pretty sure 2 MOPs would be enough to damage. Knowing USA they will drop 5 to ensure complete destruction.

I hope Iranians have already moved out their uranium to somewhere safer.

Maybe. Maybe not. Reports of 80-100M of granite and structures with 10M thick concrete?

I'm absolutely confident the mission planners are working overtime with the simulations.

 

[kastor ville]

I am pretty sure 2 MOPs would be enough to damage. Knowing USA they will drop 5 to ensure complete destruction.

I hope Iranians have already moved out their uranium to somewhere safer.

Nope, that's not correct...pull up the map of Fordow, for better understanding. Next, the 2nd MOP needs to be dropped on the same location as the first....otherwise how will it penetrate? So, think about it, how the f-are you going to put that 2nd bomb in the exhaust port of the Death Star without Obi One Kenobi guiding you? Trust me, they're no Jedis.....To use Trump's terms.....Iran still has cards to play. 7 dollars a gallon of gas anyone? If the strait gets closed even for a month....we're talking world wide recessions, in the stock market alone trillions would be lost....this alone would make anyone MAGA or not lose their cool with their leaders. That's when the fun will begin, the questioning, the second guessing.....but by that time it's too late.
One last thing, how hard will it be for Iran to start a small workshop with the recovered material to reconstitute a small program for a bomb?

 

[SkippedPath]

@Mobius

This woman is a genius.

 

[Developereo]

Well, then you are probably the only one who believes in that own random unknown theory of yours. Nobody else in the world either claimed this or talked of this. Congrats for thinking the box ? That's pretty much all.

Most Pakistanis with above average intelligence know our military and civilian elite very well and on which side their bread is buttered.

 

[Hayabusa]

If Fordow goes so does Dimona and all Israeli Nuke Reactors and All of their Power Plants.

I definitely support this.

Go all out. They have nothing to lose. Israel has more to lose.

 

[SolarWarden]

Even though this fight is getting ugly on both sides there seems to be a no kicking each other's balls (Demona and Bushehr) rule. Two active nuke plants seem for now to be off limits probably both nations getting an outside threat if they do it.

 

[Developereo]

It was actually GCC who first applied pressure for ceasefire, then indian duffers sent Israeli drones to attack our cities leaving us no choice but to retaliate in addition to downing 5 jets + 1 UAV.

I don't want to take this off optic but please check out my latest post in the 'Next in line ?' thread to see what I think happened.

 

[Hayabusa]

Maybe. Maybe not. Reports of 80-100M of granite and structures with 10M thick concrete?

I'm absolutely confident the mission planners are working overtime with the simulations.

Realistically. USA can enter into Iran's airspace uncontested after a massive barrage.

They can then proceed to drop at the same location many times. It would definitely have an impact. I do not underestimate US military capability. They have already prepared themselves for the fallout.

I hope for once, Trump uses his brains because Iran has shown to be resilient. In this on week, it has proven that if it were to go down, it will go down fighting. USA just need to stay out of it.