Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Sinan]

AI predictions:

Will the Iranian regime collapse? → No

• Despite military and economic pressure, Iran has centralized control, deep ideological cohesion, and experience surviving isolation.
• The war rallied nationalist sentiment, even among critics.
• The elite and military remain intact, and the state still controls security, media, and supply chains.

Will Israel retreat? → Yes

• Israel has hit hard, but its strategic goals (deterring Iran, crippling the nuclear program) are largely unmet.
• Continuing the war risks:
  • Hezbollah opening the northern front
  • Global diplomatic isolation
  • Mounting internal pressure
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• Israel doesn’t gain more by continuing — and can claim “mission success” and pull back.

Will the U.S. retreat? → Yes

• The U.S. already pulled out of forward bases like Al Udeid.
• The public has no appetite for another Middle East war.
• If a B-2 or base is hit, limited retaliation may happen — but after that, the pressure will be to de-escalate.
• Trump (or any administration) doesn’t want a drawn-out Iran war heading into a turbulent geopolitical era with China and Russia looming.

Will Iran come out stronger? → Yes

• Iran will emerge:
  • Battle-tested
  • More respected in the region
  • Viewed as a power that stood up to the U.S. and Israel and survived
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• Resistance blocs will rally tighter around it.
• Even non-allied nations will view Iran with greater strategic weight.

Will Israel come out stronger? → No

• Even with tactical military successes, Israel:
  • Failed to neutralize Iran
  • Took hits on civilian and strategic infrastructure
  • Proved vulnerable to ballistic and drone saturation
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• Global perception of invincibility is damaged, and its enemies now know it can be reached.

Will the U.S. come out stronger? → No

• The war exposes:
  • Limits of U.S. influence in the Middle East
  • High cost of defending allies in asymmetric environments
  • Fragile global posture (especially with China, Russia watching)
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• Even if it avoids a major loss, it walks away with no clear win, a damaged bomber fleet or base, and another reminder of the limits of American military power in the post-unipolar world.

I don't know about these but as i earlier said, i'm listening to Turkish experts, they also had some serious critics about Iran, let me relay these critics to you.

- When the Shah fell, Iran was like 3rd military force in the world. They were superior to everyone else in the region but in quantity and quality. Okay, they had 10 year war and sanctions. But they completely neglected their air force. They had 47 years and absolutely done nothing for their air force. You can not protect skies by relying entirely on your anti-air missiles.

- Iranian intelligence completely failed on counter-intelligence. The expert who said this (Ali Burak Darıcılı - ex-MIT personel). If it was up to me, i would fire everyone in Savama and re-organize, re-structure it. That organization has lots of breaches and it not only at the low levels, some key figures working for Mossad.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

Does anyone remember when IDF was considering sending their own commandos to destroy Fordow, and media was hyping them up? It went from destroying Fordow with airstrikes, to regime-change, to airdropping Israeli commandos, to GBU-28, then GBU-57, then ground invasion or tactical nukes. What a shitshow.

When the war plan is made like, "Lets start it, Us will finish it for us", just like Indian misadventure in May, "Lets start the drama, then we will ask the US to stop Pakistan before they retaliate"

 

[SaadH]

I will bet my life this will NOT happen...
The congress of the US, will not, and would not approve such a plan, they would never that lunatic use a nuke against a country that is not an existential threat to the USA....
Think about the ramifications for one second, it will basically give Putin a green light to do the same in Ukraine.....who is next China in Taiwan? Or maybe Pakisitan in India?
This is amateur talk.....never going to happen

You never know, zionists have the whole Congress by their balls...Anything is possible on this only true bipartisan issue in Zionist colony of US. Both parties are equally under their thumb and total control.

 

[Aryan_B]

Well, it's been fun..........

They wont use nukes if they did then we can expect the same in Ukraine and Taiwan

 

[Xiaolong]

Ain't no way in hell that little bald headed jannu german Munira Mistry in his paindu hinglish convinced Trump of anything...the growing opposition in the MAGA base as well as Iran's more effective response and depletion of Israeli/US ABM/AD missile stock has given Trump a pause.

Are we really saying the billions of non-English speaking people are somehow less capable because they don’t speak the good English? Come on. I see this kind of flawed logic tossed around, especially in overseas Pakistanis.
You might call him “paindu” by some elitist standard, but let’s not kid ourselves. he’s the head of a nuclear armed military with serious regional clout. When Trump said Pakistan knows Iran better than most, he wasn’t wrong. Pakistan’s intel and strategic perspective carry weight. I’m not saying Munir single-handedly shaped Trump’s Iran policy, but you’d be naive to think his input influence didn’t factor into U.S calculations.

 

[Sinan]

Iranian security forces arrest 16 agents in Lorestan province working for the Zionist entity

These are foot soldiers lowest in the hiearchy, they are expandable. Not saying not go after this guys but you should be arresting the ones in IRGC and government. They are the ones who are leaking critical info to Mossad.

 

[flyingorca]

 

[The SC]

 

[SaadH]

Are we really saying the billions of non-English speaking people are somehow less capable because they don’t speak the good English? Come on. I see this kind of flawed logic tossed around, especially in overseas Pakistanis.
You might call him “paindu” by some elitist standard, but let’s not kid ourselves. he’s the head of a nuclear armed military with serious regional clout. When Trump said Pakistan knows Iran better than most, he wasn’t wrong. Pakistan’s intel and strategic perspective carry weight. I’m not saying Munir single-handedly shaped Trump’s Iran policy, but you’d be naive to think his input influence didn’t factor into U.S calculations.

You don't understand the racist MAGA mindset, Trump won't take him seriously if can't put together a coherent sentence together, Mistry hasn't shown the ability to do that in Urdu leave alone English.

Plus he is the head of nuclear armed forces because he's a tyrant who has usurped the position of more deserving people through brute force and fascism. Nobody voted for him and when little mental midgets like him get to these big offices they inevitably destroy their nations. This little Temu Kim Jong Un Jannu German paindu is well on his way there...

 

[Toxic]

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I don't know about these but as i earlier said, i'm listening to Turkish experts, they also had some serious critics about Iran, let me relay these critics to you.

- When the Shah fell, Iran was like 3rd military force in the world. They were superior to everyone else in the region but in quantity and quality. Okay, they had 10 year war and sanctions. But they completely neglected their air force. They had 47 years and absolutely done nothing for their air force. You can not protect skies by relying entirely on your anti-air missiles.

- Iranian intelligence completely failed on counter-intelligence. The expert who said this (Ali Burak Darıcılı - ex-MIT personel). If it was up to me, i would fire everyone in Savama and re-organize, re-structure it. That organization has lots of breaches and it not only at the low levels, some key figures working for Mossad.

3rd is a reach but they were definitely the strongest military in region, honestly in hindsight we say whatever we want but Iran had a strategy with its proxy's acting as their first line of defense but they didn't expect their proxy's to get defeated so quickly.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The irony of dropping a nuke to stop nuclear weapons proliferation.

There is no weapon and the program is running within the parameters, heavily sanctioned. Against the only known and rogue entity in the region.
The US is still living the blowback from its previous meddling and regime change in Iran. This has resounding and ominous repercussions for a long time to come. Of course the ones seeking rapture do not care about the ramifications, loss of life or environmental catastrophe... that is for the mortals to suffer. A similar dynamic plays within the chosen circles as well and therefore, what almost everyone would consider an irrational calculus... with death and destruction unseen or heard in human history.

 

[Brutal.]

Does anyone remember when IDF was considering sending their own commandos to destroy Fordow, and media was hyping them up? It went from destroying Fordow with airstrikes, to regime-change, to airdropping Israeli commandos, to GBU-28, then GBU-57, then ground invasion or tactical nukes. What a shitshow.

All of them are now scared of Iran's retaliation. And if any other country gets involved with israel a lot of armed groups will rise in favor of Iran and zionists have miscalculated once they dont wanna do it again.

 

[TallGuy]

You don't understand the racist MAGA mindset, Trump won't take him seriously if can't put together a coherent sentence together, Mistry hasn't shown the ability to do that in Urdu leave alone English.

Plus he is the head of nuclear armed forces because he's a tyrant who has usurped the position of more deserving people through brute force and fascism. Nobody voted for him and when little mental midgets like him get to these big offices they inevitably destroy their nations. This little Temu Kim Jong Un Jannu German paindu is well on his way there...

Political opinion belongs in Political opinion thread.

sir, Just to inform you Politics change but Polities do not - issue stated for and will remain paramount whoever is at the seat.

Just picture Imran Khan meeting for lunch - he would be doing exactly the same thing.

there are politics and then there are polities!

Politics change
Polities do not!

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Turn it into Hell Aviv

 

[The SC]

Footage broadcast on Iranian official missile television launched on Friday morning, Tehran said it was directed towards targets inside Israel