Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hussain0216]

While it's true that the establishment of Israel has been accompanied by decades of conflict, it's important to recognize that the Jewish connection to the land is not a colonial invention, but a deeply rooted historical, cultural, and religious bond that predates modern Zionism by thousands of years.

The comparison to the Crusader states is not entirely accurate — the Crusaders were European powers with no indigenous connection to the region, while Jewish communities lived in the Land of Israel continuously, even under foreign rule. The creation of Israel was also the result of international decisions, including the UN Partition Plan, following centuries of persecution culminating in the Holocaust.

Calling for the expulsion of Jews from the region echoes dark periods of history and ignores the reality that millions of Jews were born in Israel and know no other home. A lasting solution won't come from more violence or the elimination of one side, but from mutual recognition, compromise, and a commitment to coexistence — however difficult that may be.

Jewish connection means diddly squat, it was a already INHABITED land, bringing foreigners into this land and region with their only claim being religious was ridiculous and it rightly caused conflict with the people already living on the land

The amount of blood spilt is intolerable and the peace is impossible after this level of slaughter and enmity

It doesn't matter what expulsion of the Jews invokes, it is fundamentally what will happen
The clock is ticking and just like the crusader state did not see it's demise until it happened, neither will Israel

 

[Shakehands]

what do you notice? I already know

 

[mangekyo]

Idk how you think these things work, but they don't withdraw and then build a bomb, you build and have it, then withdraw and explode, thats how North Korea did it.

And even if Iran doesn't withdraw and builds it secretly, so what. International Law is a joke and the UN is a joke. What are they going to do? make strong statements?

HARD POWER is the only thing that matters in the Jungle, and thats what this thing is devolving into. Even assuming let say for example the UNSC matters or something(it doesn't) as long as you can get Russia to veto, Iran is fine.

That’s how I would have done it. But according to forum members here, it’s too late to build the bomb now.

 

[Brutal.]

Bro, B-2s dropped 14 Massive Ordinance Penetrators. Each MOP weighs 30,000 pounds. Those sites are most likely gone. The best case scenario is if Iran was able to take some enriched uranium somewhere else (I highly doubt as these sites were under full satellites & even ground surveillance) . But assuming Iran did moved some enriched uranium, but that still don't help much because if that Uranium wasn't 90% (which isn't) then can't be used in weaponization. Moreover, enriched uranium is just one big complex step, then you have several more very complex steps to completely build a bomb.

True if Iran hasn't made a weapon yet then its several years away. Enriched uranium is just a part of the package.

 

[Shags101]

Hezbollah only shot down 3 Hermes-900 drones in more than one year

sorry I was also talking about Hermes 450 I may have been over exaggerating here but if Hezbollah has that capability Iran should easily have it as well they’re the ones who gave it to Hezbollah

 

[That_Guy]

Bro... It's people like this, like a tumour that eats a nation from the inside.

This war has shown just how important it is to have national cohesion.

A huge chunk of the damage done to Iran were from traitors within the borders that sold out the nation.

A lesson for Pakistan, for sure. Its high time Pakistan reconcile with our Baloch brothers, and stop side lining them because Punjab and Sindh want to throw temper tantrums. (Edit: not trying to bring up Pakistani politics, but its a relevant lesson for sure).

 

[El Sidd]

Let’s be fair it’s an Islamic and Arab issue as a whole OIC Original Ignorant Cun+s okay my bad a little much but I think I got it right it’s a problem with many of these fake kings and presidents for life they enjoy their opulence lifestyles and don’t care for their I want to say Muslim brothers and sisters but let’s be real they’re not Muslims with the things they have done in this life they don’t wish to make amends and be better like others have they wish to be who they are nothing else

Maybe it's hard for us to conceptualize their constraints. Give them a benefit of doubt. Infighting is least productive.

that is quickly becoming very mainstream in Iran. what else do you expect when you attack a country for not producing nuclear weapons

Its a mad world out there.

It's like America asking General Caine to announce military strike against a semitic Elam kingdom.

 

[Tijani]

Hes bothering me, not the other way around. I'm trying to be civil.

Who? Me?

logic twisted!

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Majority of so called Iranians in the zionist West! They've lost their humanity! So sad

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

what do you notice? I already know

That took me about as long to blow the picture so I could see the faces.

Now wish I hadn't.

 

[Path-Finder]

sycophants these settlers.

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[Persian Gulf]

And even if Iran doesn't withdraw and builds it secretly, so what. International Law is a joke and the UN is a joke. What are they going to do? make strong statements?

HARD POWER is the only thing that matters in the Jungle, and thats what this thing is devolving into. Even assuming let say for example the UNSC matters or something(it doesn't) as long as you can get Russia to veto, Iran is fine.

yes

Europeans hate Iran and will invoke snapback by October anyway

so there is no point worrying about NPT obligations, secure your rights and existence using all necessary means

 

[dbc]

An interesting insight into what the closing of the strait o Hormuz would look like.

Turns out. Its actually a lot more easy Iran to do than i thought it would be. They only have to block some extremely narrow shipping lanes, not the entire strait, and honestly, they just have to threaten it to make prices go sky high.

Trump's a fucking idiot. Reports are he's begging China to intervene and stop Iran from block the shipping lanes, because he actually want to start a real war that would involve boots on the ground.

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Alternative routes through Oman can bypass any blockade of the strait of Hormuz. However, today it can only supply 20% of the peak volumes through the strait of Hormuz. Iran has tried this in the past and failed. Any attempts to do so in the future will fail as well. Iran will face global outrage, the wrath of the US, and GCC. It will upset China and Pakistan. So careful what you cheer for...

 

[Garcia Sea]

as I predicted, Israel has grown even bolder, with fighter jets descending to such low altitudes that the sound of their engines can be heard from the ground, directly attacking with guided bombs.
at this rate, Israel can turn every city into ruins with an endless supply of cheap aerial bombs.
so far, Iran is following Lebanon's path 100%. let's recognize reality.
withdraw from the NPT, issue a full mobilization order, conduct a nationwide spy hunt with extralegal authority, and blockade the Strait of Hormuz.
Zelenskyy would have done all that without hesitation and turned the tide.
ayatollahs lack that courage.
unless capable military leaders seize command from the Ayatollahs, the situation won't change. government that, even at this stage, lacks the courage to issue a mobilization order naturally can't effectively use its missiles.

 

[Persian Gulf]

sorry I was also talking about Hermes 450 I may have been over exaggerating here but if Hezbollah has that capability Iran should easily have it as well they’re the ones who gave it to Hezbollah

Hezbollah shot many 6 Hermes-450 but that's a smaller drone, and 3 Hermes-900, in around 18 months

Iran so far has shot down 2 Hermes-900 and 2 Heron drones after 10 days

Iran's AD network is in disarray still due to huge amount of internal sabotage. it might take months to reorganise considering Israel will constantly be degrading the network

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Netanyahu making orders to the United States of Jews to hit some place in Iran, again:

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That's the whole cake right there... whoever or whatever he says next ... he can ask his attack dog to maul. Could be another country, could be another site.
Two proven liars with track records spanning decades dictating the outcomes and marching orcs along.