Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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RescueRanger
Meme Lord
US of A.
Haz
Registered Member
ngl, he's really good at trolling
C
Cash gk
Guest
They have Chinese help
ShapurII
Trusted Member
I want the IR to grow some f*cking balls and finally build the bomb.
Gripen9
Trusted Member
Brutal.
Registered Member
@RescueRanger did you delete my post? I didn't post anything religious after that 1 post?
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Cash gk
Guest
They have so many traitor which stops them to do this They must do this. They must declare if they have any.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
this is a hell of a lot of interceptors
they sound like a bunch of 14 year olds to be honest
gambit
Professional
Sure, could be. But beyond %5 enrichment, there can be only two options:
1- Nuclear warheads
2- Nuclear vessels
If you do not have evidence for 2, people will assume 1, and with that comes increased odds of actions that you may not like. Joe Biden was the previous player. Donald Trump entered the table and called Iran's bluff. From now on, who is going to risk it?
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
I deleted your post about a certain king and his lineage - not necessary - not relevant to the discussion. Also against forum rules:
ShapurII
Trusted Member
The project could pause for a while.
They wanted to destroy Iraq, but they didn't do it right away at the first Persian Gulf war.
This is like the US attack on Iraq after the invasion of Kuwait.
If the IR accepts a truce now, it's the worst situation by far.
We just cannot accept a true at this point. It is suicide.
mangekyo
Trusted Member
Case Study Report: States Disarmed, Then Toppled
1. Libya – Muammar Gaddafi (2003–2011)
• Disarmament: In 2003, Libya agreed to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs, including nuclear ambitions and chemical weapons, in exchange for normalization with the West.
• Western Praise: U.S. and UK hailed the move as a success of diplomacy.
• Downfall: In 2011, during the Arab Spring, NATO intervened militarily in support of rebel forces. Gaddafi was killed, and the country collapsed into chaos.
• Outcome: Libya descended into civil war and remains fragmented. Many analysts now cite this as a cautionary tale for disarmament.
2. Iraq – Saddam Hussein (1991–2003)
• Disarmament: After the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq was subjected to intense weapons inspections. By 1995–1998, Iraq had destroyed most of its WMDs, as later confirmed by post-2003 investigations.
• Ceasefire Agreement: Iraq accepted UN Security Council Resolution 687, ending the Gulf War and requiring disarmament.
• Downfall: Despite a lack of WMDs, the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 under the pretext of WMD possession. Saddam was captured and later executed.
• Outcome: Iraq descended into sectarian conflict, giving rise to insurgencies and later ISIS.
3. Ukraine – Budapest Memorandum (1994)
• Disarmament: Ukraine agreed to give up the world’s third-largest nuclear arsenal inherited from the USSR, in exchange for security assurances from the U.S., UK, and Russia.
• Assurance Breached: In 2014, Russia annexed Crimea and backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. Western powers did not intervene militarily.
• Ongoing War: Russia launched a full-scale invasion in 2022.
• Outcome: The memorandum proved to be a non-binding document, and Ukraine was left to defend itself.
4. South Vietnam – Paris Peace Accords (1973)
• Ceasefire Agreement: The U.S., South Vietnam, North Vietnam, and the Viet Cong signed a ceasefire agreement to end the Vietnam War.
• U.S. Withdrawal: The U.S. pulled out its troops, believing South Vietnam would hold.
• Collapse: In 1975, North Vietnam launched a full-scale offensive, leading to the fall of Saigon.
• Outcome: South Vietnam ceased to exist; the country was unified under communist rule.
5. Ethiopia – Derg Regime Ceasefire (1991)
• Context: Mengistu Haile Mariam, head of the Marxist-Leninist Derg regime, faced growing pressure from rebel groups.
• Ceasefire & Retreat: As rebel forces closed in, the regime signed ceasefires and Mengistu fled.
• Outcome: The regime collapsed; Ethiopia transitioned to a new government.
6. Serbia/Yugoslavia – Slobodan Milošević (1999–2000)
• Ceasefire & Withdrawal: In 1999, after NATO’s bombing campaign over Kosovo, Milošević agreed to withdraw Serbian forces and allow NATO/KFOR peacekeepers into Kosovo.
• Outcome: Though he retained power briefly, mass protests and Western pressure led to his ousting in 2000. He was arrested and handed over to The Hague.
• Significance: His compliance with Western terms failed to secure his position; he was tried for war crimes and died in custody.
7. Panama – Manuel Noriega (1980s–1989)
• Cooperation: Noriega cooperated with U.S. intelligence for years, providing support for regional anti-communist efforts.
• Breakdown: As relations soured, the U.S. imposed sanctions and demanded he step down. Despite some gestures of compliance and negotiation, the U.S. invaded in 1989.
• Outcome: Noriega was captured, tried in the U.S., and removed from power.
• Note: This is a case of betrayal after years of cooperation rather than formal disarmament.
8. North Macedonia – Ohrid Framework Agreement (2001)
• Ceasefire Agreement: Signed with Albanian rebels under Western pressure.
• Result: The agreement prevented civil war and secured peace but weakened central authority.
• Instability: Though not toppled, the government became politically fragile for years.
9. Iran – Mossadegh Government (1953)
• Cooperation (Contextual): While not about weapons, Mossadegh’s government tried to negotiate with Britain and the U.S. over oil nationalization.
• Outcome: Despite seeking peaceful resolution, the CIA and MI6 orchestrated a coup, restoring the Shah.
• Relevance: This is often cited in Iran as a lesson against trusting Western promises, influencing its modern stance on foreign pressure.
10. Palestine – Oslo Accords (1993–2000)
• Ceasefire Agreement: PLO agreed to recognize Israel, renounce violence, and enter peace negotiations.
• Outcome: Israel continued expanding settlements; a second Intifada erupted.
• Collapse: The Palestinian Authority lost legitimacy among many Palestinians; Hamas eventually won elections in 2006 and took Gaza by force in 2007.
• Lesson: Ceasefire without a just peace eroded internal stability and divided Palestinian leadership.
11. South Africa – Nuclear Disarmament (1989–1994)
• Disarmament: The apartheid regime voluntarily dismantled its small nuclear arsenal before the transition to majority rule.
• Outcome: While this case did not involve foreign betrayal, some analysts suggest the regime only disarmed to ensure that post-apartheid leadership would not inherit the weapons.
• Not Toppled by Force, but still a rare case of peaceful transfer after disarmament—worth noting for contrast.
1. Libya – Muammar Gaddafi (2003–2011)
• Disarmament: In 2003, Libya agreed to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs, including nuclear ambitions and chemical weapons, in exchange for normalization with the West.
• Western Praise: U.S. and UK hailed the move as a success of diplomacy.
• Downfall: In 2011, during the Arab Spring, NATO intervened militarily in support of rebel forces. Gaddafi was killed, and the country collapsed into chaos.
• Outcome: Libya descended into civil war and remains fragmented. Many analysts now cite this as a cautionary tale for disarmament.
2. Iraq – Saddam Hussein (1991–2003)
• Disarmament: After the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq was subjected to intense weapons inspections. By 1995–1998, Iraq had destroyed most of its WMDs, as later confirmed by post-2003 investigations.
• Ceasefire Agreement: Iraq accepted UN Security Council Resolution 687, ending the Gulf War and requiring disarmament.
• Downfall: Despite a lack of WMDs, the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 under the pretext of WMD possession. Saddam was captured and later executed.
• Outcome: Iraq descended into sectarian conflict, giving rise to insurgencies and later ISIS.
3. Ukraine – Budapest Memorandum (1994)
• Disarmament: Ukraine agreed to give up the world’s third-largest nuclear arsenal inherited from the USSR, in exchange for security assurances from the U.S., UK, and Russia.
• Assurance Breached: In 2014, Russia annexed Crimea and backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. Western powers did not intervene militarily.
• Ongoing War: Russia launched a full-scale invasion in 2022.
• Outcome: The memorandum proved to be a non-binding document, and Ukraine was left to defend itself.
4. South Vietnam – Paris Peace Accords (1973)
• Ceasefire Agreement: The U.S., South Vietnam, North Vietnam, and the Viet Cong signed a ceasefire agreement to end the Vietnam War.
• U.S. Withdrawal: The U.S. pulled out its troops, believing South Vietnam would hold.
• Collapse: In 1975, North Vietnam launched a full-scale offensive, leading to the fall of Saigon.
• Outcome: South Vietnam ceased to exist; the country was unified under communist rule.
5. Ethiopia – Derg Regime Ceasefire (1991)
• Context: Mengistu Haile Mariam, head of the Marxist-Leninist Derg regime, faced growing pressure from rebel groups.
• Ceasefire & Retreat: As rebel forces closed in, the regime signed ceasefires and Mengistu fled.
• Outcome: The regime collapsed; Ethiopia transitioned to a new government.
6. Serbia/Yugoslavia – Slobodan Milošević (1999–2000)
• Ceasefire & Withdrawal: In 1999, after NATO’s bombing campaign over Kosovo, Milošević agreed to withdraw Serbian forces and allow NATO/KFOR peacekeepers into Kosovo.
• Outcome: Though he retained power briefly, mass protests and Western pressure led to his ousting in 2000. He was arrested and handed over to The Hague.
• Significance: His compliance with Western terms failed to secure his position; he was tried for war crimes and died in custody.
7. Panama – Manuel Noriega (1980s–1989)
• Cooperation: Noriega cooperated with U.S. intelligence for years, providing support for regional anti-communist efforts.
• Breakdown: As relations soured, the U.S. imposed sanctions and demanded he step down. Despite some gestures of compliance and negotiation, the U.S. invaded in 1989.
• Outcome: Noriega was captured, tried in the U.S., and removed from power.
• Note: This is a case of betrayal after years of cooperation rather than formal disarmament.
8. North Macedonia – Ohrid Framework Agreement (2001)
• Ceasefire Agreement: Signed with Albanian rebels under Western pressure.
• Result: The agreement prevented civil war and secured peace but weakened central authority.
• Instability: Though not toppled, the government became politically fragile for years.
9. Iran – Mossadegh Government (1953)
• Cooperation (Contextual): While not about weapons, Mossadegh’s government tried to negotiate with Britain and the U.S. over oil nationalization.
• Outcome: Despite seeking peaceful resolution, the CIA and MI6 orchestrated a coup, restoring the Shah.
• Relevance: This is often cited in Iran as a lesson against trusting Western promises, influencing its modern stance on foreign pressure.
10. Palestine – Oslo Accords (1993–2000)
• Ceasefire Agreement: PLO agreed to recognize Israel, renounce violence, and enter peace negotiations.
• Outcome: Israel continued expanding settlements; a second Intifada erupted.
• Collapse: The Palestinian Authority lost legitimacy among many Palestinians; Hamas eventually won elections in 2006 and took Gaza by force in 2007.
• Lesson: Ceasefire without a just peace eroded internal stability and divided Palestinian leadership.
11. South Africa – Nuclear Disarmament (1989–1994)
• Disarmament: The apartheid regime voluntarily dismantled its small nuclear arsenal before the transition to majority rule.
• Outcome: While this case did not involve foreign betrayal, some analysts suggest the regime only disarmed to ensure that post-apartheid leadership would not inherit the weapons.
• Not Toppled by Force, but still a rare case of peaceful transfer after disarmament—worth noting for contrast.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
They intercepted 6 missiles in a staged attack and now they think they're so criminal
KingQamaR
Elite Member
Israel has no strategic depth. It will buckle and fall. if Iranians were to increase size of there accurate barrage strikes and hit vital points of this small country.
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