Again I have to disagree, the better psychological warfare would be to let your enemy guess whether they achieve the objective or not, now there are voice coming from US questioning about the effectiveness of US strikes, so again there is no ZERO nada obligation for either US or Iran to prove their claims, America is happy they destroy Fordo and Iran is happy that the damage was minimal, Win win for both I guess. Honestly I don't trust either American Govt or Iran in the matter, I stand that there must be damage to the facility to some degree but how much is something I don't know nor will anyone. Even if Iran release a video it can be highly edited or it could be old or it can be from parts where there is no damage so we are not knowing the actual truth or real damage.
They won't guess, and that's the whole point, do you know what is double tapping or triple tapping when they fire a missile? Do you know why Special Force shoot people in the head after they are down? That's because this is number 1 rule with the military, if unsure go do it again to make sure, nobody in the military, be it US, Israel, Iran, China, Pakistan or whatever will just leave the question hanging, you are talking about a military operation, if they (they would have their own BDA) think that site is not secure, they WILL make sure, whether or not they need to is another issue, I mean of course if Iran completely capitulate, then why do another strike?
And again, this is not about truth, not about showing them and humiliate them, not about obligation, this is about optical warfare, people know you are still fighting, keep them guessing, mean you will have them guess whether or not you are willing to fight. Do you think this is a good idea during a fight? Bombs have already dropped, missiles are already away from both sides, this is far from potential, the fight was ALREADY ON...
Again Afghanistan has no relevance, you weren't fighting a Army with Tanks or Air force where you outsmart them, or beat them with your skills, you were fighting rag tag militia with pick up trucks and AK-47's in B2 bombers and Tanks, Taliban was not a Army and yet they not only survive but took Kabul so quickly that it if not defeat US but surely humiliate them, I don't support Taliban at all but that's the truth and you can twist it as much as you like to suit your narrative. In this war no one is thinking about Optics at least not Iran, they were attacked and have no choice, US is being a lap dog of Israel fighting yet another war which goes against its national interests, unfortunately the politicians in DC makes people believe that Protecting Israel is better to made enemies with 20+ nations in the region by killing civilians and changing regimes, even a layman can see that Arabs today if combined can outmatch the Israel's weight to serve US interest in Middle Easy, but the reason US can't do it because of how Israel holds the American political system hostage, but thats not the topic.
First of all, the hostage is in office until January 21, 2029, that's a long time to go for if you want to play possum, that's no 1.
Number 2 is, Iran air defence is no more, you can see it from IAF switching from night time strike (day 1) on Iran to daytime strike, they don't care about Iranian AD anymore, which mean either they know they are switched off or they effectively negate the Iranian AD.
And lol, Taliban never be able to defeat ISAF when ISAF was there, and they didn't roll over US and take Kabul, we gave it to him by Trump first signing the peacedeal and then leave just over 4000 troop in Afghanistan despite then SecDef warning. Taliban does not beat us militarily, they literally just take the hit for 20+ years until we are too tired and leave, that's what they do, it's naive to think Taliban defeated the US and NATO militarily. And we leave because we don't see progress in Afghanistan, we lost the will to keep that war going, for us it become a moot point.
Unless you sincerely think Iran can withstand a combine US and Israeli asault, what you say here will not happen....
Again, if you are trying to make a argument that Americans know the damage because of technology then why not take Iranians word for it ? they are in fact on ground and have better visual than any satellite image, but you will say Iran has motivation to lie but then so does America to prove its victory and success of the strikes, If Iran shows videos of fordo and brag about the facility been intact that can prompt yet another attack from America, right now things between US/Iran is at stalemate, US attacked Iran and claim victory, Iran is waiting for its retaliation but both sides have made their claims.
This is not about word, this is about action and reaction, word are meaningless, didn't what Trump said already show it as much? I mean did he waited for 2 weeks to strike? No. You want to force the otherside's hand into fighting the way you want to fight, forget about US and Iran creditability for a moment, if this is just 2 country fighting, A and B, A want to fight the way they want, and so does B, and whoever fight the other person's war is ALWAYS going to be in a disadvantage, does it not? And if A said I did something and it's B's move, would it be turned around if B said "no, you did not did what you just said"?
I mean, again, if you think Iran will attack US base and Trump just back down, I mean, well, you know Trump, you live in FL, where he live now, ask people who support him, there are plenty of these people down there, would you think they will say Trump should back down?? I think you know better than me that he is NOT going to do that, from everything he started such a bad idea, from Tariff, to Trade War to this, did he ever backdown from something? I mean I could be wrong and misread Trump but you need to know people vote for him because they think Trump is not a push over. He already said he don't want a ceasefire, he wanted a permanent solution, now, however it is implied, it's up for anyone to decide.
My entire Argument lies on the fact that how American comes here on PDF as "Neutral" to any war and ended up with extreme bias and parroting the Israeli propaganda, I've never seen one American and trust me I am a long lasting PDF member from the times of when I was in Pakistan, not one American here which have sided with the narrative of Muslims, yes some will show sympathy and remorse but even they will hold the preconceived bias on any conflict in the middle east which includes the west or Israel. That is why I stopped taking American opinion here seriously because at first it looked ok, than it becomes consistent and boring and now its just annoying and stupid.
I will just say this: I am here to talk and try to make sense. Sometimes, sense is not something everyone likes. Do I think Iran gets a bad deal here? Sure, do I think Israel is the bad guy here? Yes, they attacked Iran for whatever reason they think it's necessary, but do I think this war is something Iran would have the world on its side? No, and do I think Iran will come out ahead of this situation? No.
A part of being a military analyst is to look at stuff in the military and political angle, and it's ALWAYS a biased sitatation, you ALWAYS have one side stronger than the other, you always have one side that more prepare than the other, but whether or not I am an American, Australian, Chinese, Swedish, or whatever Nationality I had or what religious belief I had, I would still say the same thing I said above, because that's what I devised from the current situation.
You may think otherwise, but for me, there were never a neutral position, you discuss facts, to the point as much as you can, and facts aren't neutral nor biased, it's just fact, most of the time, it's going to be one sided, so one side is going to like that, and one side did not. if you think that's biased and fake, that's your choice, but this is what I did here, and I can't speak for anyone else.
