Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Watandar]

North Korea went Nuclear , did anything happen to it ? Past 10 years ?
Nothing

There you go

Sometimes simplest explanation is best

Who wants to live like North Korea ? Neither Pakistanis nor Iranians do. Another example is people in Pakistan who admire Taliban so much, but dont want to live in Afghanistan.

 

[MH.Yang]

Negotiating with Trump was banned. The reformist traitors just rebranded their new betrayal to indirect negotiations. What the hell is that?

Raisi's government's negotiations with Biden admin was from position of strength. Trump is a different story, i don't think that you need me to explain that orange crap whose daughter has to be afraid of him in the midnight.

Not even China that is known for providing USA with cheap workers accepted to negotiate under Trump's conditions. Logic says that its a waste of time.

Or, the same person is behind both the reformers and the anti-reformers. This person keeps the two factions second-guessing themselves and fighting each other to maintain the balance of power. When floods come, he governs only floods; when earthquakes come, he governs only earthquakes. In the end, all that is accomplished is the power of one man, who never actually had the ambition to revive the nation and civilization. I even wonder now if the reason for Leahy's death was that he presided over the Iranian-Saudi rapprochement, which led to a surge in his influence that threatened someone's absolute authority.

 

[LeGenD]

It would be absolutely foolish for Iran to give up Nuclear enrichment. All that Hard Work to be dismantled, and no guarantee that they won't attack you once they have defanged you.

Both Iraq and Libya were attacked after they gave up their nuclear programs.

If anything I think Iran should be building more facilities deep deep underneath mountains, and buying S-400s, Beriev A-100s, Su-35s and further deepening their air defenses.

Sanctions don't mean anything especially when the Emergence of China and the Breakoff of Russia from the West is diminishing their potential. If Iran is able to hang on a bit longer, that Sanctions hegemony is going to collapse on its own with China's growth/markets. The US cannot stay in the Middle East Long Term anyways, its pivoting towards the East Asia confrontation. Its already withdrawing from Europe. Iran just needs time and patience.

Russian expedition in Ukraine was a disaster. It was assumed that Russia would overwhelm Eastern Europe but Russian advances are checked in Ukraine and Russian economy have also taken a hit due to sanctions. Trump was scolding Zelensky in public but made a deal with Ukraine. Russia is now under pressure to negotiate with Ukraine. American pivot to the Pacific is but a pressure tactic on China to keep it at bay there with support of Japan and Australia but the US is also in talks with China while South Korea is developing sophisticated military capability to check North Korea. The US have no plan to shut down CENTCOM. The US have a strategic footprint in the Middle East via Israel, Qatar and Kuwait. Iraq and Syria were subjected to regime change in succession. Israel have destroyed Gaza and virtually crippled Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria with American support. Trump administration have made new deals with the GCC and in talks with Iran. The Middle East is being reshaped to the tune of the Abraham Accords and to facilitate IMEC.

The Houthi have reportedly agreed to not attack ships in Red Sea. The Houthi can attack Israel but cannot stop it in its tracks and facing counter-attacks. Iranian options are now limited because Iran has lost ground in Syria. China have massive levels of trade with the WEST and Chinese companies are not immune to sanctions.

Iran now have difficult choices: To continue on the path as per your suggestion (or) negotiate a different outcome. It is a gambit in either case. One of these choices might turn out to be the best course for Iran. Which is it? Nobody have the crystal ball, right? My guess is to find a way to appease Trump.

Trump's strategic gameplay is stunning and have put many on the backfoot. Many were mocking him initially in all platforms but now finding out the hard way that his game is above their paygrade.

As for the kinetic options, the US also have strategic bunker busters to destroy anything underground. Chinese research also admits such possibility. This option might not be considered but underground facilities have been destroyed or rendered useless with strictly conventional payload in different wars. It comes down to "mission planning." Let's not be in hubris.

 

[battalion25]

In hindsight, Khamenei looks a lot like Emperor Jiajing of China's Ming Dynasty. Pity about Suleimani.

Khamenei is useless he needs advisors and constant protection otherwise his regime falls.

He has the worst geo-political ideas and just never well thought out policies and half-baked ideas.

He doesn´t understand when to chose a fight or not.. He doesn´t understand perhaps fight on a day where advantage is entirely yours but all he does is burn his underprepared proxies, I would say that is an idiotic approach or rather the anti-Sun tzu appraoch.

As Sun tzu said before ´´every war is won before it´s fought´´ hence no need to miscalculate or be hasty but come prepared even if it takes a century.

 

[Kyussis]

Khamenei is useless he needs advisors and constant protection otherwise his regime falls

Says a Guy who's country is defacto rulled by the wishes of your U.S masters!

 

[MH.Yang]

Khamenei is useless he needs advisors and constant protection otherwise his regime falls.

He has the worst geo-political ideas and just never well thought out policies and half-baked ideas.

He doesn´t understand when to chose a fight or not.. He doesn´t understand perhaps fight on a day where advantage is entirely yours but all he does is burn his underprepared proxies, I would say that is an idiotic element.

As Sun tzu said before every war is won before it begins hence no need to miscalculate or be haste but come prepared even if it takes a century

It is more likely that the right of government is a greater threat to someone than it is to Americans. The former would threaten the right to religion, which is the source of all his power. The threat to Americans, on the other hand, is very remote. I've always wondered why Iran has very good relations with India, a country that fully supports Israel. Now it seems that India is the conduit for communication with the US and Israel when necessary, right?

 

[Abdul q]

North Korea went Nuclear , did anything happen to it ? Past 10 years ?
Nothing

There you go

Sometimes simplest explanation is best

Meanwhile Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons and see where it stands today

 

[Kyussis]

Khamenei is useless he needs advisors and constant protection otherwise his regime falls.

He has the worst geo-political ideas and just never well thought out policies and half-baked ideas.

He doesn´t understand when to chose a fight or not.. He doesn´t understand perhaps fight on a day where advantage is entirely yours but all he does is burn his underprepared proxies, I would say that is an idiotic approach or rather the anti-Sun tzu appraoch.

As Sun tzu said before ´´every war is won before it´s fought´´ hence no need to miscalculate or be hasty but come prepared even if it takes a century.

You talk as if there is even one Sunni leader leader outside of Gaza that is not owned and operated by the U.S? Zionist world order 24/7 365 days of the week.

 

[Kyussis]

It is more likely that the right of government is a greater threat to someone than it is to Americans. The former would threaten the right to religion, which is the source of all his power. The threat to Americans, on the other hand, is very remote. I've always wondered why Iran has very good relations with India, a country that fully supports Israel. Now it seems that India is the conduit for communication with the US and Israel when necessary, right?

No. Switzerland is.

 

[battalion25]

It is more likely that the right of government is a greater threat to someone than it is to Americans. The former would threaten the right to religion, which is the source of all his power. The threat to Americans, on the other hand, is very remote. I've always wondered why Iran has very good relations with India, a country that fully supports Israel. Now it seems that India is the conduit for communication with the US and Israel when necessary, right?

That is kinda of strange and since they made visa-free visits for the Indians the terror incidents have sky-rocketed in Iran which is something I warned about as RAW is filthy and zionist.

But the overall policies of the IRGC is very questionable to say the least because there is no vision or end game. They don´t understand shut up and sit down you need to rebuild in silence and pop up decades from now when you actully have the muscle mass but for now just go under the radar. Patience

 

[ShapurII]

IR stupid policies are embarrassing.

The Europeans are now clearly threatening Iran with the snapback mechanism (invention of the Zarif's diplomacy) even if the talks with the US succeed:

روزنامه اصولگرا: مذاکرات ایران با سه کشور اروپایی‌، پرتنش بود / آن‌ها درخواستی «غیرفنی»، «غیرقانونی» و با «ادبیات نامناسب» در مورد ماشه پلاس مطرح کردند / آنها صراحتاً به این موضوع اشاره کردند که آنها هم باید در توافق [ایران و آمریکا] سهم داشته باشند،

اروپایی‌ها در آخرین مذاکرات خود با ایران، صراحتاً به این موضوع اشاره کردند که آنها هم باید در این توافق سهم داشته باشند، «شریک» باشند و در جریان مذاکرات حضور داشته باشند.

www.entekhab.ir

The Islamic Republic regime is an absolute disgrace for the Iranian nation.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

IR stupid policies are embarrassing.

The Europeans are now clearly threatening Iran with the snapback mechanism (invention of the Zarif's diplomacy) even if the talks with the US succeed:

روزنامه اصولگرا: مذاکرات ایران با سه کشور اروپایی‌، پرتنش بود / آن‌ها درخواستی «غیرفنی»، «غیرقانونی» و با «ادبیات نامناسب» در مورد ماشه پلاس مطرح کردند / آنها صراحتاً به این موضوع اشاره کردند که آنها هم باید در توافق [ایران و آمریکا] سهم داشته باشند،

اروپایی‌ها در آخرین مذاکرات خود با ایران، صراحتاً به این موضوع اشاره کردند که آنها هم باید در این توافق سهم داشته باشند، «شریک» باشند و در جریان مذاکرات حضور داشته باشند.

www.entekhab.ir

The Islamic Republic regime is an absolute disgrace for the Iranian nation.

I don't think IRAN is that naive to not to think about such scenarios.

We need to produce nuclear weapons (for our survival as a state and nation). Before they use the trigger mechanism, we should warn them clearly and after that give a few nuclear weapons to houthis (for 2nd strike options).
Each additional sanction should motivate Iran to increase uranium production. Then we can negotiate over any misunderstanding. Regional countries hosting these countries should be warned. Khamenei at least finally pushed back; foreign forces must and will leave the region.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't think IRAN is that naive to not to think about such scenarios.

We need to produce nuclear weapons (for our survival as a state and nation). Before they use the trigger mechanism, we should warn them clearly and after that give a few nuclear weapons to houthis (for 2nd strike options).
Each additional sanction should motivate Iran to increase uranium production. Then we can negotiate over any misunderstanding. Regional countries hosting these countries should be warned. Khamenei at least finally pushed back; foreign forces must and will leave the region.

It's a no-brainer. We need nuclear deterrence to defend our national interests.
I have been saying this since 2013. We should negotiate with the West over the megatons of our nuclear arsenal. Not their existence or non-existence. But this is assuming that an independent pro-Iran regime rules over the country.

Not a bunch of sellouts that prioritize the interests of Russia, China, Europe and even Arabs over our own interests.

 

[chinasun]

Not really. A lot of trade deals between Gulf Arab countries and Iran can overcome differences and hostilities.

I think this what both sides want at the moment rather the trying to remove each other's Governments.

The Middle East has long been plagued by two major contradictions.The first is the conflict between Israel and Islam in Palestine.The second is the contradiction between the Sunni and the Shia led by Iran.The United States has been biased towards Israel and has been strongly promoting the normalization of relations between Israel and Middle Eastern countries.Moreover,it has been exacerbating the contradictions between the Sunni and the Shia,which is part of its long-term strategy in the Middle East.A look at the history of the United Kingdom and the United States shows that in a region,supporting a weaker faction and suppressing the strongest one through divide and rule is a basic foreign policy approach.Currently,the United States will not lift its economic sanctions on Iran.

The recent reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and Iran only indicates that the contradictions have been eased.The relationship between countries is complex.

 

[BigMela2onin]

We need to produce nuclear weapons (for our survival as a state and nation). Before they use the trigger mechanism, we should warn them clearly and after that give a few nuclear weapons to houthis (for 2nd strike options).

The problem is they are only capable of reaction, no capability to be proactive or plan ahead. We will withdraw from NPT if you bomb us. We will rethink nuclear weapons if you activate snapback mechanism. They are letting their enemies dictate the battlefield and reacting. They are paralyzed by fear and will never make the decision to proactively go for nukes. Their decision making is not logical.