Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[muhammed45]

A couple of missiles were used to deceive air defense systems of Israel. Those missiles should not be taken as an example for accuracy of Iranian missiles. Their mission was different and given that Israeli air defense network is too dense, they sent interceptors for every missile launched at Israel.

Some of the missiles were fired to disrupt the air defense network of Israel and its a great tactic to increase possibility of precise attacks of the following missiles.

 

[ToddE]

The only deterrence is NUCLEAR Deterrence.

Nothing else...

Yes. This is what missile counting posters do not understand.

 

[Immortals]

I didn't say that. I was just disputing your assertion that Iran "may not have many missiles left or TELs to operate them".

Missiles buried under a mountain might as well be considered lost if the only solution is to keep them under the mountain.

It boggles my mind in Iran’s infinite wisdom of “2000KM” range. They didn’t think to themselves….”why are we building all of our missiles bases closer to Iraq when we should be building closer to Pakistan”.

Iran gifted the enemy the ability to fire BMs from Iraq and hit bases all across Iran’s western borders. Meanwhile if it built those same bases closer to its eastern border (especially with Pakistan) it would create way more headaches for Israel and be harder to destroy.

But alas we could talk all day about IRGC incompetence. Like I said, it would take a miracle to come back from this. No country that gets beaten this badly comes back. Iran is looking more like post PG 1 Iraq these days.

 

[FUB]

A couple of missiles were used to deceive air defense systems of Israel. Those missiles should not be taken as an example for accuracy of Iranian missiles. Their mission was different and given that Israeli air defense network is too dense, they sent interceptors for every missile launched at Israel.

Some of the missiles were fired to disrupt the air defense network of Israel and its a great tactic to increase possibility of precise attacks of the following missiles.

That’s a good point. A percentage of those missiles fired 10% 20% who knows are decoys . So a good percentage of what they’re intercepting are the decoys.

 

[FUB]

The only deterrence is NUCLEAR Deterrence.

Nothing else...

Iran is a nuclear weapon state . The ayotollah needs to decide .unfortunately, he still wants to negotiate with the same people that just tried to take his head off .

 

[FUB]

From IISS pointing to the fact some missiles have decoy war heads . So the 55% interceptions were probably less much less when considering what was actually intercepted.

“One possible explanation for the very large (1,500 to 1,800 kg) payload claimed for the Khorramshahr is that it is intended to carry multiple warheads or decoy apparatus to confound missile‑defence systems … it might be cost‑effective for Iran to seek to defeat these systems with missile salvos and decoys.”

https://www.iiss.org/globalassets/media-library---content--migration/files/research-papers/open-source-analysis-of-irans-missile-and-uav-capabilities-and-proliferation.pdf?utm_source

JINSA points that there were 57 impacts . It doesn’t even try to say some missiles didn’t reach Israel. It parrots the same BS that over 300 missiles hit open fields . No mention of strikes on military sites ; 57 strikes on civilian installations/ population centers . supposedly, they knew exactly which missiles to go after and they could determine which ones were not going to hit a value target.
In the CNN video you can clearly see that five interceptors were used and they still were not able to stop the missile from striking. There’s another video that we’ve all seen that shows as many as 11 interceptor being fired for one missile and they still couldn’t stop it. So how many interceptors were actually fired .
The inference from these numbers is that they had no choice, but to let the missiles strike because they could not intercept them or had to save the interceptors for the very high value targets.

https://jinsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Cost-Estimates-During-the-U.S.-Israel-Iran-War-07-21-25.pdf?utm_source

 

[Hack-Hook]

See? This is where things start to get out of touch with reality.
The 12-day battle ended 55 days and counting, and Iran still hasn't been able to remove the debris and reach the site. In fact, satellite photos suggest that Iran has even given up on excavating. So, please do define your idea of "in a blink of an eye".

In my opinion, you can say that these facilities can be repaired in a blink of an eye when you can get there in a few days, at most one week. Not when you have failed to even access your most strategic nuclear site after nearly 2 months.

as far as I'm aware Iran even didn't try to repair those entrance tunnel and just sealed them

 

[Hack-Hook]

the discussion have only one answer
does israel attack again or it don't do that
if they attack again it means the missiles were ineffective
if they don't attack any time soon it mean they were painful, very painful

 

[shamir]

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[Hassan Al-Somal]

How do you know that? Do you work for the Israeli government? Logic suggests that you should not deploy all your valuable assets simultaneously. I would argue that there are still operational networks on standby, ready for a second round in Iran. Essentially, that encapsulates the entire matter. If you merely respond instead of taking the initiative in the conflict, you will never gain the advantage and your enemy will always leave you behind wondering what will happen next.

I was referring to Mossad networks inside Iran. They've been rounded up only daily basis since the outbreak of the 12-day war. Many of those top spies have been hung now.

Iran has also been doing away with technologies such as Whatsup, Android, GPS, etc that Israel has used to coordinate attacks.

So while not ruling out Israel using other means to attack Iran, it is obvious the previous networks they built inside are on the ropes.

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Israeli media confirms Mossad's cooperation with the terrorist "Hypocrites" group

In a report on Tel Aviv's approach against Iran, the newspaper "Times of Israel" cited documents from the recent trial of "Hypocrites" members in Tehran and wrote: "This group was fully funded, armed, and trained by the Mossad, and collaborated with it in gathering intelligence and carrying out anti-security measures."

 

[Persian Gulf]

Look, I defer to the guys with actual military service regarding such matters, I myself am more versed in geopolitics.....however, I saw the pics of the SA refinery hit and the missile accuracy was something rather astonishing...it was crazy accurate, so where did this idea of Iranian missile not being accurate come about? Is there proof for this hypothesis?

that attack in Saudi Arabia (carried out by drones and cruise missiles) is totally irrelevant to this discussion of the accuracy of MRBMs

it is widely established that Iran's MRBMs lack accuracy. look at any satellite images from TP-1 or TP-2 and draw your own conclusions, there is a lot of analysis on this already

 

[Persian Gulf]

Missiles buried under a mountain might as well be considered lost if the only solution is to keep them under the mountain.

buried is a bit dramatic, only the entrances were damaged and can only excavated within a few days at most (satellite imagery suggests this has already happened)

and there are other solutions, such as launching them from within the base without having to leave the base

It boggles my mind in Iran’s infinite wisdom of “2000KM” range. They didn’t think to themselves….”why are we building all of our missiles bases closer to Iraq when we should be building closer to Pakistan”.

blame Khamenei's instructions to limit range to 2000km to not upset Europeans, same Europeans that Araghchi now says will be irrelevant if they invoke snapback

 

[Persian Gulf]

The inference from these numbers is that they had no choice, but to let the missiles strike because they could not intercept them or had to save the interceptors for the very high value targets.

obviously they prioritise interception targets to protect HVTs

we saw what happens when Iran hits an air base with 50+ MRBMs in TP-2. answer: not much. a few destroyed soft hangars for EW aircraft, one building destroyed, and another building lightly damaged. Israel will accept that level of insignificant damage to its airbases to protect its civilians for 12 days while it inflicts militarily significant and precise damage in Iran.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Anyone can search. There are a lot more. You can say that missiles are only suitable for large targets, or that the targets were ineffective. You are entitled to your opinion, but not your facts. The IRGC started to hit residential areas only after Israel detonated five car bombs in Tehran, killing civilians. There is a possibility of an image being posted out of context, but there are pages and pages on Yandex if you know how to search for them.

Actually, the IRGC Aerospace force was targeting the Israeli military, nuclear, intelligence, and economic centers. It is Israel that put its critical military bases and headquarters next to or behind hospitals and other civilian neighborhoods and facilities. Check the below article and you will see how Israel houses their military bases in the midst of their civilian population.

Quds News Network

Quds News Network (QNN) is the largest independent and comprehensive Palestinian youth electronic news network.

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Second, when an Iranian missile hit a military or intelligence facilities, all of the buildings in the neighborhood were coming down as well due to the force of the blast. Of course, the Israelis would show people the civilian buildings that were damaged as part of their propaganda - but they were not showing what was the military facility that was hit. A German TV once approached the actual site but Israeli authorities barred them from going near and actually stopped them from filming it.

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In this below video, you can see buildings in Ramat Gan that were affected by the Iranian missiles, where many of them were destroyed. What they don't tell you is Raman Gan is a suburb in Tel Aviv that is mostly settled by the Israeli military and their families. So when Israel attacked Iranian commanders and nuclear scientists in their homes in residential neighborhoods, it looks like IRGC responded by hitting this military city.

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[Persian Gulf]

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