Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

 

[BonPlan]

zero evidence the missile bases were penetrated

so only way this happens is if the missiles were hit whilst being prepared for launch next to each other

all footage released by Israel showed single missile launchers being hit and they even edited these videos to release them twice to give the impression of hitting more launchers

so this theory is not feasible

I'm all but not sure the missiles bases are hardened as nuclear factories.
zero evidence doesn't mean some weren't destroyed.
Israel received new 1 tons bombs from USA months earlier their attack.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I'm all but not sure the missiles bases are hardened as nuclear factories.
zero evidence doesn't mean some weren't destroyed.
Israel received new 1 tons bombs from USA months earlier their attack.

Israeli groups have huge propaganda budget to buy satellite imagery and they released satellite imagery of dozens of SSM bases hit by Israel. none of them showed or claimed that the bases were penetrated, only the entrances were hit so the bases couldn't be accessed. 1 ton bombs is not enough to penetrate SSM bases built under mountains

 

[ShapurII]

he's playing with words. he calls it dispute resolution mechanism, the West calls it snapback. means the same thing in the end: E3 can cause all UNSC resolutions to be re-instated against Iran within 30 days.

No, he is not. He is denying the existence of the snapback mechanism. Listen to the part I mentioned.

He clearly says that Mr Pompeo thinks it's a simple process. They would just draft a resolution and all sanctions would return in 30 days. And then he refutes that.
Also, the interviewer says that even though the snapback word does not exist, the process exists. And Zarif rejects that too.

 

[Persian Gulf]

No, he is not. He is denying the existence of the snapback mechanism. Listen to the part I mentioned.

He clearly says that Mr Pompeo thinks it's a simple process. They would just draft a resolution and all sanctions would return in 30 days. And then he refutes that.
Also, the interviewer says that even though the snapback word does not exist, the process exists. And Zarif rejects that too.

I am sure he is playing with words but I will listen later

for now here is a recent tweet from Araghchi referring to the "so-called snapback mechanism" so clearly even Araghchi agrees it exists in some way they just call it something else and dispute how it can be used

 

[lightning f57]

Iran should expel EU ambassadors declare emergency and go on a war footing and test the bomb. If their leaders cant do this, then disband the entire nuclear program and stop this facade which is affecting normal people indefinitely.

 

[Immortals]

Of course SnapBack exists, it’s a U.S. lead western global economy and world order. You are playing in their Casino, they make the rules and they choose when to enforce them.

What is Iran going to do about it? The Hauge? US can just ignore them. The UN? It’s stacked with Western aligned country’s and Western veto carrying members.

It might not be the era of Ghenghis Khan or Cyrus or Alexander the Great, but it is still very much the ‘King of the Jungle’ makes the rules in this world. And right now the U.S. is ‘King of Kings’ as the old Persians use to say.

So let’s drop this nonsense of ‘legality’ and ‘logic’ when discussing countering SnapBack, that only applies to the powerless not the ones in power. They can bend the rules so that 2 + 2 = Tomato.

 

[Jalz]

Launch silos were possibly targeted by air launched ballistic/cruise missiles and later on aircraft launched glide bombs. They will be targeted again next time. It is good to have silos but most likely they will be destroyed again so alternatives need to be developed. One possible solution is excavation vehicles inside mountain bases and some unfinished escape tunnels-routes which can be rapidly opened by excavation vehicles in times of need to carry out the missiles with mobile launchers and rapidly launch them to targets.

Their isn't evidence that the silos themselves were targeted. I saw pictures of silos without their doors so perhaps the doors were destroyed. But even then to put a silo out of commission you need to strike its base where the missile is being launched from. Thats very hard to do from the air.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Their isn't evidence that the silos themselves were targeted. I saw pictures of silos without their doors so perhaps the doors were destroyed. But even then to put a silo out of commission you need to strike its base where the missile is being launched from. Thats very hard to do from the air.

you can't use a silo if your crew can't get into the base

 

[Jalz]

you can't use a silo if your crew can't get into the base

Hopefully they are staffed 24/7 now. Given the track record of this government, competency is not one of their characteristics.

 

[Immortals]

you can't use a silo if your crew can't get into the base

The West has a history of sly tactics. They made Nazi Germany believe the invasion was coming much further up the coast and instead landed at Normandy where there was a skeleton crew defending the beach.

They made Iran think negotiations were real and facing progressing (despite Americans telling everyone on the news that no enrichment is possible) when they were truly getting ready for 1-2 attack to knock out the program for good.

Iran got played and is facing a country that has gone up against war machines of Hitler and Stalin. Iran simply isn’t in the same league in Warcraft as US, Britain, and France or even Israel at this point.

This is no more evident by how despite all these fancy OTH radars they got completely bamboozled by a massive Israeli ‘Pearl harbor’ incident. Israel event tracked

Hajizadeh, Bagheri, and the other generals to the bunker they use planning military operations and destroyed that. It’s surprising because, 2 months later Iran still hasn’t explained how Israel was not only able to find the bunker of Iran’s C&C but also penetrate what should be a borderline nuclear proof bunker from [allegedly] outside of Iran’s borders.

The whole thing doesn’t add up.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Iran got played and is facing a country that has gone up against war machines of Hitler and Stalin.

Uhh when exactly are you referring to here?

 

[kastor ville]

then you are just as foolish as Zarif and Araghchi and those who prefer to put their head in the sand and think just because the specific words are not mentioned that such a procedure with the same effect does not exist

Yep...shows you the naviate of our people, they still think the law means something.....there is genocide and mass starvation going on and no one has done a thing about it, yet somehow these guys think the language of the agreement is going to save them. SMH

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[Bharatah]

Hajizadeh, Bagheri, and the other generals to the bunker they use planning military operations and destroyed that. It’s surprising because, 2 months later Iran still hasn’t explained how Israel was not only able to find the bunker of Iran’s C&C but also penetrate what should be a borderline nuclear proof bunker from [allegedly] outside of Iran’s borders.

My friend, i'will explain to you what i already explained to persianGulf :

No bomb from a fighter jet "destroyed" the Iranian general's bunker. If this were true, all other bunkers would have been destroyed, and all military personnel and politicians would have been killed, which didn't happen. It works like this: the Mossad and the CIA have spies in high-ranking officials in Iran, Russia, Korea, Lebanon etc. These spies are responsible for passing on information about meetings, planning, etc, but also (in more extreme cases) for planting an assassination plot. These spies (since they are high-ranking military personnel from these countries) have access to meeting places and plant explosives there, which are detonated remotely. These explosives remain there for months or even years, waiting for the moment when the largest number of generals gather to explode. After this, "Israel" bombs the location as a "delete all records" and sells the media that it was the bombing that did the trick, but it didn't.

That is the reason why the secretary of the Hezbollah party (Nasrallah) did not die in his usual bunker, but on his way to a meeting in another bunker. This (other)bunker exploded internally and then "Israel" bombed the place to "deceive" public opinion. This is also the reason why the Iranian military who launched missiles and bombed Tel Aviv were not killed, because their bunkers had no explosives inside!

If they are unable to launch a bombing raid on the site, they (Mossad) launch an object (plane, bus, truck) to crash into the site and say that it was "that impact" that caused the explosion, covering up the real reason: assuming authorship or saying in the media that it was another organization (False Flag Operation).

This is the same strategy used in the "bomb pagers" (where almost 4000 civilians were hit): the explosives WERE ALREADY IMPLANTED IN THE PAGERS since 2022. That's also how the Hamas guy died when he went to the inauguration party of the new president of Iran. The Iranian military spies(who works for MOSSAD/CIA) themselves planted explosives where he was staying (some time before) and when it exploded, it killed him and that's also how the "port of Lebanon" exploded.

With the pause in the Iran war, the Mossad/CIA is now trying to plant explosives in other bunkers and new bunkers. This is also why they have difficulty killing certain people in Yemen, Afghanistan, etc, because spies are executed and they have difficulty accessing the location to plant the explosives system (they are desert locations, caves, swampy soil, etc.). This is why Iran's nuclear project was not destroyed, because under well-made bunkers, there is no bomb that can destroy it, you have to be able to implant something inside for this to happen and they were unable to do so in the case of the nuclear project.

NOTE: There are cases where people die in bombings, but they are in their homes, as in the case of some Iranian nuclear scientists. In this case, explosives are not necessary; it is an open-air house.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Why purpose does the NPT or UN serve if the rules can be selectively applied or ignored?