Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Arash]

This is a different day...
Where is pezeshkian in this picture?

He arrived late when everyone else showed up the day before. He also showed up late to meet Lukashenko when he went to Belarus and said it was because he was busy. It is a deliberate sign of disrespect.

That son of a wh........ should be discharged then hanged

 

[Shafagh]

The sooner the IRGC takes over with nationalists backup the better.......

Whether this happens or not, there needs to be some sort of compromise with the west in order to buy time.

Otherwise Israel will just continue attacking. If they attack once, hir them very hard, then negotiate a settlement before it escalates, drawing the U.S. in. Israelis are bitches, they will ask daddy U.S.A to intervene after just 48 hours of fighting.

 

[Kyussis]

Only difference is one of them had a 4th grade education..

The Guy with the "4th grade education" ,unlike the Surgeon, was able to keep the lights on!

 

[Shafagh]

Hang that idiot and remove reformists and dead brains from the parliament..... let them go defend LGBT rights abroad, it'll be much more secure for us all.

You cannot blame just reformists for this mess. Conservatives didn't prepare sufficiently either. Instead they played stupid games with hijab nonsense, pissing off the young people, creating completely unnecessary domestic unrest. Fortunately, they learned and things are changing. However, at this point, it is evident both conservatives and reformists are to blame.

 

[matty12345]

another repeat of lies
he actually visit China, Russia and Turkish presidents and take some photos with Pakistan president

Hey Hack-Hook, when i posted that comment, I also gave a link to the latest IRNA website and till then there was nothing of Pezeshkian otherwise it would have been posted in the official media !!!

 

[ShapurII]

You cannot blame just reformists for this mess. Conservatives didn't prepare sufficiently either. Instead they played stupid games with hijab nonsense, pissing off the young people, creating completely unnecessary domestic unrest. Fortunately, they learned and things are changing. However, at this point, it is evident both conservatives and reformists are to blame.

And they passed the JCPOA in 20 minutes.
Let's not overlook the fact that the parliament that passed the JCPOA, with the snapback mechanism inside it, was dominated by the conservatives.

 

[Immortals]

And they passed the JCPOA in 20 minutes.
Let's not overlook the fact that the parliament that passed the JCPOA, with the snapback mechanism inside it, was dominated by the conservatives.

It’s the whole system, much like the USSR if the system doesn’t work then everything decays. It’s not reformists, conservatives, Mullahs, etc it’s the collective at the end of the day. The reformists didn’t tell IRGC to neglect the airforce. They didn’t tell IRGC to build a ventilation shaft exposed to aerial bombers. They didn’t tell them to limit missile range to 2000KM and build everything in the west. Everyone made their own respective mistakes the past couple decades.

IR of Iran survived as long as it did from oil revenues (European/Asian nations didn’t cut Iranian oil till 2008 and beyond).

The rise of fracking oil technology also hurt iran in many ways because suddenly the U.S. was #1 in oil production and the Middle East no longer had a choke hold on oil. This meant the U.S. didn’t need the Middle East precious resource as desperately as it did in the 1970’s and 80’d. This was obvious by the Red Sea traffic being down 85% and Israel and Iran exchanging blows and oil not even crossing $90/barrel.

I am not sure if the IRI could even imagine such a day could come when it’s energy supply would be bought by only one country (China).

Right now Iran is becoming like Iraq under Saddam, Syria under imposed revolution, Afghanistan under Taliban, etc the system is barely holding it together and people are just SURVIVING not thriving. Sure Iran has made its share of advancements (Iranian ingenuity), but there is so much corruption and self inflicted wounds, we can’t all blame it on sanctions.

We have fallen behind in critical fields of the future like nuclear, fusion, semiconductor, AI hyperscalers, robotics, and more. With no strategic alliances (say China) we have no one to take our hand and raise us up economically, like the U.S. did to Japan and Korea after WW2 and Korean War respectively.

The resistance economy failed miserably, the IRGC alumni and the big factions used their power to enrich themselves from sanctions busting and supplying the people goods. Rather than squeezing other countries for money they squeezed the people.

Toman today is 100x worse off than 20 years ago (100,000 vs 900). This whole thing is unsustainable.

I think reformists are no different then the voices in the USSR that realized fighting the West and spending like the Empire on things like space race and massive military footprints was not sustainable under a communist system that didn’t have the same innovation and industrial production density as the American empire.

Iran too is learning that it cannot stand up forever against the West and be shunned out of the global economy and expect to not decay and spiral downward on the backs of corruption and theft.

There were always only two real options:

1) fight a pre emptive war where you inflict enough damage on the enemy to demonstrate your strength and negotiate a permanent solution on equal footing (ie after Hamas October surprise or in 2020 before losing Solemani)

2) Capitulation and a grand agreement where you drop the animosity and reform and reintegrate. Khamenai never wanted this because an Iran that is at peace with America and Israel is a republic that cannot survive because its entire existence was predicted on perpetual Cold War like conflict with these two countries.

Nukes wouldn’t have solved either situation it would have only prolonged the problem and in the end you would have to negotiate your nukes away to get any tangible agreement like Ukraine did or turn into North Korea and become a hermit country.

Right now it appears Iran’s plan is to hope the U.S. collapses in the next 5 years or some incompetent leader comes in and bows to Iranian pressure. Neither seem realistic.

Getting nukes now wouldn’t get the sanctions or embargo off us, would likely make it worse. At best we would have to negotiate those away as well.

 

[PK781]

realistically when is the chance of next round happening in this conflict?
What's happening in the actual capitals and decision making?

 

[BigMela2onin]

And they passed the JCPOA in 20 minutes.
Let's not overlook the fact that the parliament that passed the JCPOA, with the snapback mechanism inside it, was dominated by the conservatives.

Some IRGC guy who initially said it was a good deal came out and said he thought that based on zarif's description of it lol. Very few majlisis read it and understood what it actually said. Only in Iran would a Parliament pass something they have no understanding of...

 

[kastor ville]

The Guy with the "4th grade education" ,unlike the Surgeon, was able to keep the lights on!

Dig him and put him in the chair..... let's put all of those monkies in power....the best idea, that way we can speed up the implosion of the country.

 

[Immortals]

Some IRGC guy who initially said it was a good deal came out and said he thought that based on zarif's description of it lol. Very few majlisis read it and understood what it actually said. Only in Iran would a Parliament pass something they have no understanding of...

Parliament in Iran is nothing more than a rubber stamp body, nothing happens unless the higher ups give their approval. It was going to pass the second Zarif and Company signed.

 

[FUB]

The future is with China.
If only IR had competent leaders there would be no need for discussion with the decaying powers of the past .

 

[FUB]

 

[StrategicBear]

It’s the whole system, much like the USSR if the system doesn’t work then everything decays. It’s not reformists, conservatives, Mullahs, etc it’s the collective at the end of the day. The reformists didn’t tell IRGC to neglect the airforce. They didn’t tell IRGC to build a ventilation shaft exposed to aerial bombers. They didn’t tell them to limit missile range to 2000KM and build everything in the west. Everyone made their own respective mistakes the past couple decades.

IR of Iran survived as long as it did from oil revenues (European/Asian nations didn’t cut Iranian oil till 2008 and beyond).

The rise of fracking oil technology also hurt iran in many ways because suddenly the U.S. was #1 in oil production and the Middle East no longer had a choke hold on oil. This meant the U.S. didn’t need the Middle East precious resource as desperately as it did in the 1970’s and 80’d. This was obvious by the Red Sea traffic being down 85% and Israel and Iran exchanging blows and oil not even crossing $90/barrel.

I am not sure if the IRI could even imagine such a day could come when it’s energy supply would be bought by only one country (China).

Right now Iran is becoming like Iraq under Saddam, Syria under imposed revolution, Afghanistan under Taliban, etc the system is barely holding it together and people are just SURVIVING not thriving. Sure Iran has made its share of advancements (Iranian ingenuity), but there is so much corruption and self inflicted wounds, we can’t all blame it on sanctions.

We have fallen behind in critical fields of the future like nuclear, fusion, semiconductor, AI hyperscalers, robotics, and more. With no strategic alliances (say China) we have no one to take our hand and raise us up economically, like the U.S. did to Japan and Korea after WW2 and Korean War respectively.

The resistance economy failed miserably, the IRGC alumni and the big factions used their power to enrich themselves from sanctions busting and supplying the people goods. Rather than squeezing other countries for money they squeezed the people.

Toman today is 100x worse off than 20 years ago (100,000 vs 900). This whole thing is unsustainable.

I think reformists are no different then the voices in the USSR that realized fighting the West and spending like the Empire on things like space race and massive military footprints was not sustainable under a communist system that didn’t have the same innovation and industrial production density as the American empire.

Iran too is learning that it cannot stand up forever against the West and be shunned out of the global economy and expect to not decay and spiral downward on the backs of corruption and theft.

There were always only two real options:

1) fight a pre emptive war where you inflict enough damage on the enemy to demonstrate your strength and negotiate a permanent solution on equal footing (ie after Hamas October surprise or in 2020 before losing Solemani)

2) Capitulation and a grand agreement where you drop the animosity and reform and reintegrate. Khamenai never wanted this because an Iran that is at peace with America and Israel is a republic that cannot survive because its entire existence was predicted on perpetual Cold War like conflict with these two countries.

Nukes wouldn’t have solved either situation it would have only prolonged the problem and in the end you would have to negotiate your nukes away to get any tangible agreement like Ukraine did or turn into North Korea and become a hermit country.

Right now it appears Iran’s plan is to hope the U.S. collapses in the next 5 years or some incompetent leader comes in and bows to Iranian pressure. Neither seem realistic.

Getting nukes now wouldn’t get the sanctions or embargo off us, would likely make it worse. At best we would have to negotiate those away as well.

Yup, US Fracking Tech really changed the game.

This shows that Technology can always find a way out of a predicament, and Arab and Middle Eastern leaders strategy of only relying on "God-given" natural resources only for wealth and development without Human Resource-driven Science and Tech STEM fields are bound to fail and unravel one day......

 

[ShapurII]

It’s the whole system, much like the USSR if the system doesn’t work then everything decays. It’s not reformists, conservatives, Mullahs, etc it’s the collective at the end of the day. The reformists didn’t tell IRGC to neglect the airforce. They didn’t tell IRGC to build a ventilation shaft exposed to aerial bombers. They didn’t tell them to limit missile range to 2000KM and build everything in the west. Everyone made their own respective mistakes the past couple decades.

IR of Iran survived as long as it did from oil revenues (European/Asian nations didn’t cut Iranian oil till 2008 and beyond).

The rise of fracking oil technology also hurt iran in many ways because suddenly the U.S. was #1 in oil production and the Middle East no longer had a choke hold on oil. This meant the U.S. didn’t need the Middle East precious resource as desperately as it did in the 1970’s and 80’d. This was obvious by the Red Sea traffic being down 85% and Israel and Iran exchanging blows and oil not even crossing $90/barrel.

I am not sure if the IRI could even imagine such a day could come when it’s energy supply would be bought by only one country (China).

Right now Iran is becoming like Iraq under Saddam, Syria under imposed revolution, Afghanistan under Taliban, etc the system is barely holding it together and people are just SURVIVING not thriving. Sure Iran has made its share of advancements (Iranian ingenuity), but there is so much corruption and self inflicted wounds, we can’t all blame it on sanctions.

We have fallen behind in critical fields of the future like nuclear, fusion, semiconductor, AI hyperscalers, robotics, and more. With no strategic alliances (say China) we have no one to take our hand and raise us up economically, like the U.S. did to Japan and Korea after WW2 and Korean War respectively.

The resistance economy failed miserably, the IRGC alumni and the big factions used their power to enrich themselves from sanctions busting and supplying the people goods. Rather than squeezing other countries for money they squeezed the people.

Toman today is 100x worse off than 20 years ago (100,000 vs 900). This whole thing is unsustainable.

I think reformists are no different then the voices in the USSR that realized fighting the West and spending like the Empire on things like space race and massive military footprints was not sustainable under a communist system that didn’t have the same innovation and industrial production density as the American empire.

Iran too is learning that it cannot stand up forever against the West and be shunned out of the global economy and expect to not decay and spiral downward on the backs of corruption and theft.

There were always only two real options:

1) fight a pre emptive war where you inflict enough damage on the enemy to demonstrate your strength and negotiate a permanent solution on equal footing (ie after Hamas October surprise or in 2020 before losing Solemani)

2) Capitulation and a grand agreement where you drop the animosity and reform and reintegrate. Khamenai never wanted this because an Iran that is at peace with America and Israel is a republic that cannot survive because its entire existence was predicted on perpetual Cold War like conflict with these two countries.

Nukes wouldn’t have solved either situation it would have only prolonged the problem and in the end you would have to negotiate your nukes away to get any tangible agreement like Ukraine did or turn into North Korea and become a hermit country.

Right now it appears Iran’s plan is to hope the U.S. collapses in the next 5 years or some incompetent leader comes in and bows to Iranian pressure. Neither seem realistic.

Getting nukes now wouldn’t get the sanctions or embargo off us, would likely make it worse. At best we would have to negotiate those away as well.

Nukes give Iran the possibility to hit Israeli critical infrastructure without risking getting nuked. Without strategic nukes, Iran will always be restricted to symbolic responses that will fail to establish deterrence (Ain al-Assad, TP1, TP2, even TP3 for the most part). We have entered a circle of fear and hesitation that will eventually lead to either implosion from within, or a military invasion of Iran.

The only way that Iran can get out of the current situation is to inflict heavy damage on Israel through the mad-man policy and make it too costly and unviable for them to hit Iran again and again. If we cannot achieve that, expect Israel to keep Iran under pressure until one of those two things happen.

Iran is under a siege now. We are economically sanctioned worse than North Korea, militarily surrounded and attacked, and politically isolated. First and foremost, we must break the military siege on Iran and there's no way out without nukes at this point. IRIAF is outdated and we're even at a risk of invasion from neighboring countries, we do not have IADS, insufficient number of drones and cruise missiles, and most likely insufficient number of MRBMs as well. Only after we have survived militarily, we can focus on breaking out of political isolation. Nobody would take political risks for you if they think you're on the verge of forceful regime change soon. Only then the Iranian economy can flourish.