Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shafagh]

️ Telegraph -
Iran has highly fortified nuclear sites, including a mountain complex near Natanz at a depth of 160 m :

It is twice as fortified as Fordo, which was targeted by 12 GBU-57 bombs without decisive results
Known as "Mountain of Strength", it is an ideal location for hiding highly enriched uranium, as its tunnels can withstand even a nuclear explosion
Iran also has a deep facility near Isfahan that Washington failed to destroy

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These claims could be false stories designed to get the Trump administration to start bombing Iran. Zios is definitely up to something with these stories they're planting in their propaganda outlets.

I saw an interview with one of the CIA analysts fired from Pentagon for speaking out against Israel.

He talked about Pickaxe mountain. It is inconclusive if they fully destroyed the site during Operation Midnight Hammer. Or perhaps they did, and it is gone already.

As far as publically known, the new Natanz site never fully became operational.

It could be false. Iran might have moved HEU and infrastructure to Pickaxe. Who knows.

What Operation Midnight Hammer Means for the Future of Iran’s Nuclear Ambitions

Operation Midnight Hammer struck Iran's key nuclear sites at Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan using B-2s and Tomahawk cruise missiles. This effort aimed to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities, but its success is still to be determined.

www.csis.org

At least as it pertains to Fordo, satellite imagery suggests they tried to harden the defences, rather than move the material out of it. Iranian officials figured, they spent all this money and energy to build such a deep site, it would be a total waste if they move it and it gets intercepted above ground. They might have very well decided to hunker down and keep everything inside.

There is a chance that they started digging alternative tunnels with an emergency escape route, and moved the material there, like another secret room. Their window to do this was short though, and they would have to keep things on the very down low, in order to hide any digging from satellite imagery.

Israel cannot get it. America can. The Israelis are only focused on targeting officials, scientists, ballistic missile manufacturing, air defences, and launch sites. Expect the Americans to participate in round 2, and more boldly. They may target Iranian military positions, knowing the regime is not going to fight back. This is why I am concerned some people's claim of victory here, is short lived.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Well USA supports Israel. So Israel has the technological superiority over Iran.

 

[FUB]

Well USA supports Israel. So Israel has the technological superiority over Iran.

Brother, where have you been? Did you wake up? Israel has captured the U.S..
Corruption is ubiquitous here. You have politicians who sign the back of a government check and have net worths in the hundreds of millions. What Israel wants, Israel gets.

AIPAC

AIPAC works with Democrats and Republicans to strengthen America's relationship with Israel through lobbying, political support, and grassroots advocacy.

www.aipac.org

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Brother, where have you been? Did you wake up? Israel has captured the U.S..
Corruption is ubiquitous here. You have politicians who sign the back of a government check and have net worths in the hundreds of millions. What Israel wants, Israel gets.

AIPAC

AIPAC works with Democrats and Republicans to strengthen America's relationship with Israel through lobbying, political support, and grassroots advocacy.

www.aipac.org

Yes AIPAC owns USA. The Zionists own USA. Israel is USA. Israel owns USA.

USA should have its capital in Tel Aviv, and not in Washington D.C.

USA takes orders from Israel. And that Netanyahu is a satan.

 

[kastor ville]

Iran is a nuclear weapons state . The mullah needs to give the approval so
آبه پاکی رو روی دستشون بریزن
They did just fine with what they had considering . AD was hacked for 8 hours and they were taking incredible punishment from inside Iran.
The Chinese see the writing on the wall. They are the real target . This country needs to pivot 100% east . The West is dead . It’s economy is service and financial fuckary. What happened with the Trump Putin summit wasn’t that supposed to be a cease-fire agreement? Trump just authorized 3000 long range strike missiles for Ukraine.

I see it . I hear it every day. They don’t want peace . They want capitulation and they will accept nothing else . Why? Because Israel controls everything.
The school board in Beverly Hills just made it mandatory that the Israeli flags must be flown at all school campuses. How long do you think before that is going to be mandated across all 50 states?

I can tell you the view from the inside is a bit different, since last week there has been a marked effort (hard to miss) on Twitter and other platforms by the Israelis.....but this time it's different, you'll notice a lot of people punching back at their posts.....and calling them out for their actions in Gaza. I think we will see a different US-Israeli relationship in the future, even the US politicians are speaking out against Israel.....this used to be a red line, that no one crossed. So, something is afoot here, it maybe the last few years of full Israeli control over the US government. Now, remember who we're talking about, Israel has the rich American Jews in their pocket, the rich American Jews own Hollywood, the media, most of the newspapers, the big finance corps, the big tech corps, and wield a lot of control over the social media platforms....they can basically block people from posting anything overtly negative about Israel....and they're doing it now as we speak. It will take some time, but their power is definitely being diluted.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Look at the reality: North Korea's modernization since Kim Jong-un took office has been remarkable.
The development of numerous advanced equipments is backed by the country's industrial strength and scientific advancements.
Instead of falling for Western propaganda, look at the reality with your own eyes.
North Korea achieved this by completely cutting off negotiations with the West and pursuing a path of self-reliance and independence.
As a leader, Kim Jong-un is far superior to the Ayatollahs, and even Trump holds him in high regard.

 

[StrategicBear]

If Iran has EMP warheads they should use it in the next round. Spare nothing.

 

[ShapurII]

there is not much incentive for NK to do that. it is not suicidal

Western satellites monitor movement at all NK and Iranian nuclear sites and key ports etc, even beyond infiltration of key individuals in the value chain and intercepting comms

Everybody loves money, I guess. North Korea can not be invaded.
They already have megaton H-bombs and the US is afraid of them.

How are they going to suspect that an innocent looking box contains fissile material?
We're not talking about tons of fissile material like ammonium nitrate. We are talking about multiple small packages that are at most 5 kg.

Let's say you cover the fissile material in a quite random object, like dumbbells for example. How will they find out?

Pu-239 is an alpha emitter for the most part. Alpha particles can be stopped by a thin layer of A4 sheet. Even without protection, alpha particles are stopped by air molecules in the atmosphere. As for its gamma rays, they can be detected in short distance but even a 2-3 cm thin layer of lead will completely stop them.

 

[Shafagh]

Ukraine was used as fodder and been annihilated as a nation because of how many men they've lost. Libya is already destroyed, it has no central government and is in perpetual civil war.

US loves radical Islam, they paved the way for its rise during the Cold War. Their issue of radical Islam is not as big as they say, most of the time their interests align with these groups.

I'm not sure how you plan to run a country without resources to extract and sell. Iran isn't exactly a service or manufacturing powerhouse.

I disagree but ultimately irrelevant.

No if your forced to give obscene concessions to another nation, I'd rather give it to China than the US. Countries like Cuba have gotten worse since the fall of the USSR sure, but the rest I wouldn't qualify as puppets.

I think we will ultimately disagree on this, these nations were built up in the post-WW2 order, again, so they wouldn't become communist. I don't think their examples can be repeated.

Don't say this man, I am escaping to Japan!

Germany did it to herself. America did not force it to de-industrialize and bring in mass immigration.

 

[Shafagh]

Look at the reality: North Korea's modernization since Kim Jong-un took office has been remarkable.
The development of numerous advanced equipments is backed by the country's industrial strength and scientific advancements.
Instead of falling for Western propaganda, look at the reality with your own eyes.
North Korea achieved this by completely cutting off negotiations with the West and pursuing a path of self-reliance and independence.
As a leader, Kim Jong-un is far superior to the Ayatollahs, and even Trump holds him in high regard.

You cannot compare North Korea to Iran. I am tired of hearing this bullshit comparison. Iranians will not accept living like North Koreans. They worship Kim like he is a God. It is a totalitarian state where criticism of any kind will get you executed or sent to a forced labor camp. There are frequent food shortages, and the country is virtually completely cut off from the outside world.

If that is the cost of independence from the U.S., it's not worth it.

I respect Kim, and recognize their support for Iran through the decades, but Iranians will never live like that.

Nobody sane actually thinks "Hey, I wan't to live like North Koreans, they have a good quality of life".

 

[ShapurII]

Ukraine was used as fodder and been annihilated as a nation because of how many men they've lost. Libya is already destroyed, it has no central government and is in perpetual civil war.

Ukraine was attacked and its sovereignty was violated by Russia. It's not the first time that Russia does this. They have done that to Iran multiple times in the past.

US loves radical Islam, they paved the way for its rise during the Cold War. Their issue of radical Islam is not as big as they say, most of the time their interests align with these groups.

The US loves to use radical Islam when it suits them but they see radical Islam as a problem. This is why they are asking Arab countries like Saudi Arabia to move towards secularism. Islam is inherently a dangerous ideology for countries like the US.

I'm not sure how you plan to run a country without resources to extract and sell. Iran isn't exactly a service or manufacturing powerhouse.

Quite contrary to what you think, Iran is a heaven for the service sector. We have highly educated people that are willing to work for minimum wage. In the scenario we were talking about, Iran will have access to international markets.
As I said, the Shah in the 70s had a stronger economy than today's Ayatollahs. This is not some theory. This is a fact.

No if your forced to give obscene concessions to another nation, I'd rather give it to China than the US. Countries like Cuba have gotten worse since the fall of the USSR sure, but the rest I wouldn't qualify as puppets.

You have already given concessions to both Russia and China and they have shown you the middle finger each and every time.
Yeah, well, good luck becoming like Syria, Venezuela, Saddam's Iraq, Somalia, Cuba, North Korea, and other highly modernized Eastern puppets that you count as independent nations.
If they hold a referendum, I'm sure over 80% of the Iranians would prefer to give concessions to the US than China.

I think we will ultimately disagree on this, these nations were built up in the post-WW2 order, again, so they wouldn't become communist. I don't think their examples can be repeated.

Germany and Japan were built-up post-WW2 order? lol
Whether you guys like it or not, Western puppets have always been prosperous free countries and Eastern puppets like Iran have always been shit holes where people were oppressed and could hardly make their ends meet even for basic needs.

 

[kastor ville]

Not many people possess this guy's knowledge of the geopolitical situation of the world's hotspots. Great Iran discussion......shed some light for me.

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