Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Garcia Sea]

Hamas has agreed to disarm and has officially surrendered. Hezbollah has already surrendered.
In this situation, it would be suicidal to think that Israel would not launch another attack on Iran.
If Iran is as lax as it seems, Netanyahu would be happy to launch a surprise attack without any warning.
It is utterly ridiculous to think that information would be disclosed in advance on the internet.

 

[925boy]

Thanks

Iran just has nothing to do with Jews and Arabs. IRI mullahs tangled Iran up in Semite phuckfest that it will now take generations to get Iran out of this mess of bad economy, sanctions, establishing nationhood etc.

If the IRI mullahs had actually "tangled Iran with jews and Israel" all these years then Iran SURELY would not have spoken up against the Gaza genocide. 99% of Arab and ME govts didnt not publicly or actually oppose Israel's genocide against Gaza.

If Iran had sold itself for fake monopoly dollars and shekels, it would've been stuck and disoriented like the Arab world is now.
Iran probably values holding onto its spiritual beliefs more than money and its ok if you are not like that, but there is a national consensus on that in Iran- no selling out national values for ANTTHING,especially financial.

 

[Ali_Baba]

if any new war is imposed on iran, i hope iran will (at the minimum) ALSO take out all these tiny puppets of usa/israel in the mideast. No need for them to be providing bases to the zions to attack iran and anyone else.....take em out totally!
No longer the time to be nice guy.

Donald Trumps branding is that he will not get the USA involved in 'another war', and it has so far done its bidding via Israel to attack the middle east countries. If Iran is attacked again by Israel, then should Iran attack that branding of Trump by also directly involving USA forces saying that the USA is involved, and is providing active logistical support ? Is the way to temper this going forward, to state to the USA, that the next time it will involve you ?

Strategically, how can Iran break this cycle that kind of involves the USA, but does not, but really.. it does ?

 

[Persian Gulf]

It is utterly ridiculous to think that information would be disclosed in advance on the internet.

and yet last time it was all over the internet for weeks

you can't make preparations for such a large strike without being detected

 

[Shafagh]

Strategically, how can Iran break this cycle that kind of involves the USA, but does not, but really.. it does

Iran needs to fire almost everything it has at Israel at the start. Then while Israel burns, reach out to the U.S., tell them Israel was our enemy. We have dealt with them. We do not wish to get into a war with you. We are willing to fully cooperate to de-escalate, we will give up enrichment. We want to normalize relations.

Iran has the capacity to devastate Israel. It just doesn't go that far because they fear the U.S. will get involved. It needs to deliver a knockout blow to Israel early on.

Just look at them. Even with their state of the art weapons, the ballistic missile attacks wreaked havoc on their society; people running around screaming, fighting to get into shelters.

If we launch a 1000 missile salvo early on and overwhelm their air defences, then reach out to the U.S., I think Trump would sit this one out, or launch some symbolic strike with a few B2s and call it a day.

Netanyahu is getting weaker by the day. I think Trump knows.

 

[tsunset]

Iran needs to fire almost everything it has at Israel at the start. Then while Israel burns, reach out to the U.S., tell them Israel was our enemy. We have dealt with them. We do not wish to get into a war with you. We are willing to fully cooperate to de-escalate, we will give up enrichment. We want to normalize relations.

Iran has the capacity to devastate Israel. It just doesn't go that far because they fear the U.S. will get involved. It needs to deliver a knockout blow to Israel early on.

Just look at them. Even with their state of the art weapons, the ballistic missile attacks wreaked havoc on their society; people running around screaming, fighting to get into shelters.

If we launch a 1000 missile salvo early on and overwhelm their air defences, then reach out to the U.S., I think Trump would sit this one out, or launch some symbolic strike with a few B2s and call it a day.

Netanyahu is getting weaker by the day. I think Trump knows.

If you fire 1000 missiles at Israel or devastate them conventionally, expect to get Tehran nuked by Israel. If Israel is in a critical situation where its existence is threatened or devastating civilian losses, they will use their nukes with total impunity from the international community

Israel is the only nuclear armed state with the right to use them for any given reason, offensively, preemptively and defensively, with total approval of the international community.

 

[BigMela2onin]

If you fire 1000 missiles at Israel or devastate them conventionally, expect to get Tehran nuked by Israel. If Israel is in a critical situation where its existence is threatened or devastating civilian losses, they will use their nukes with total impunity from the international community

Israel is the only nuclear armed state with the right to use them for any given reason, offensively, preemptively and defensively, with total approval of the international community.

Correct, which is why IR's policy of antagonizing nuclear armed states with threats of destruction yet banning your own development of nuclear weapons is open treason. The jews will dictate every engagement because Iran cannot escalate, they can keep initiating short blitzes every few months and threaten nukes if they take too much damage in return.

 

[Shafagh]

Correct, which is why IR's policy of antagonizing nuclear armed states with threats of destruction yet banning your own development of nuclear weapons is open treason. The jews will dictate every engagement because Iran cannot escalate, they can keep initiating short blitzes every few months and threaten nukes if they take too much damage in return.

This is so stupid.

Then why fight at all. We cant get nuke, we wont get nuke, and they attacking us daily.

Israel won't respond so easily with nuclear weapons.

Let's just get on our knees and bend our heads down then and just take it like slaves. Is that what you want to do?

There is also a chance to get nuked the moment we test one.

 

[ShapurII]

There is also a chance to get nuked the moment we test one.

No, there is not.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Donald Trumps branding is that he will not get the USA involved in 'another war', and it has so far done its bidding via Israel to attack the middle east countries. If Iran is attacked again by Israel, then should Iran attack that branding of Trump by also directly involving USA forces saying that the USA is involved, and is providing active logistical support ? Is the way to temper this going forward, to state to the USA, that the next time it will involve you ?

Strategically, how can Iran break this cycle that kind of involves the USA, but does not, but really.. it does ?

he will keep saying it and keep dropping bombs, just like USA previously did!

in this world, if you are not White or zion, or Hindutva or Chinese, you are at risk of bombing, no matter what Trump says!

 

[ShapurII]

he will keep saying it and keep dropping bombs, just like USA previously did!

in this world, if you are not White or zion, or Hindutva or Chinese, you are at risk of bombing, no matter what Trump says!

Why would he not do that?
I mean I would totally bomb the shite out of Iran every week if I were him.
This only strengthens his position and image as a powerful POTUS in the US and around the world.

He killed our top military commander and didn't lose a single soldier.
Next time, he destroyed our nuclear facilities without a single American soldier getting a nosebleed.
What's stopping him from doing that again?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Why would he not do that?
I mean I would totally bomb the shite out of Iran every week if I were him.
This only strengthens his position as a powerful POTUS in the US and around the world.

He killed our top military commander and didn't lose a single soldier.
Next time, he destroyed our nuclear facilities without a single American soldier getting a nosebleed.
What's stopping him from doing that again?

esp. when opponent is 1. oil rich 2. holds choke points!

infact, if im military establishment, I'd never want this war to end!

(my limited understanding only and certainly does not represent full understanding or knowledge of facts!)

I could be 100000% wrong!

 

[Shafagh]

esp. when opponent is 1. oil rich 2. holds choke points!

infact, if im military establishment, I'd never want this war to end!

(my limited understanding only and certainly does not represent full understanding or knowledge of facts!)

I could be 100000% wrong!

I.r. is too coward to do what you are implying.

 

[ShapurII]

esp. when opponent is 1. oil rich 2. holds choke points!

infact, if im military establishment, I'd never want this war to end!

(my limited understanding only and certainly does not represent full understanding or knowledge of facts!)

I could be 100000% wrong!

Yes, the US no longer is worried about oil security.
In fact, it welcomes higher oil prices because it makes extraction of unconventional oil more profitable for them. They need oil prices to stay above $40bpl to keep their unconventional oil production profitable.

Besides that, a large part of the MAGA community are old people who still remember Iran as the country that chants "Death to America" and held their embassy staff for 444 days. So, Trump is in fact dealing with one of the US oldest enemies. That's really good for his internal image.

 

[BigMela2onin]

This is so stupid.

Then why fight at all. We cant get nuke, we wont get nuke, and they attacking us daily.

Israel won't respond so easily with nuclear weapons.

I think you guys need to be more realistic. They are committing genocide, the worst crime possible, with broad international support. Why wouldn't they use nukes? Who will stop or punish them? It is US military policy to use nukes if they start losing by the way, and they will likely use them in the future China-US conflict. Having the jews break the taboo benefits them.

Let's just get on our knees and bend our heads down then and just take it like slaves. Is that what you want to do?

No obviously not, but some people on this forum have an issue with not accepting reality as it is and get mad at me for pointing it out it seems.
IR is pursuing slow death as a national policy, while reformists intentionally sabotage the economy more and more every day khamenei ensures continued international isolation with "enrichment but no nukes" policy and continues to block military development. IR goes out of its way to ensure every conflict ends as soon as possible and is extremely willing to take damage and suffer lives lost with none to minimal response if it means ending fighting. The west obviously sees this, Europe said Iran wouldn't leave NPT if snapback occurred and they were right. US killed General Soleimani and bombed the enrichment facilities with no casualties. They know they can push IR and avoid consequences by offering an off-ramp as soon as they achieve their goals. They will continue to do this, the jews can bomb for a week or two to mow the grass and then they will offer a ceasefire, IR will accept it every time. If you think i'm wrong, feel free to present a counter-analysis.