Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

Funny thing is that the tiny little country is nowhere to be seen. Despite all of the sanctions, Iran holds four of the top places in advanced technologies. Imagine if Iran had access without Western interference and sabotage.

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[FUB]

The Fordow bombing was all Kabuki theater.

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[Khorasan Black Flags]

This speech was given back in 2015 about those pro American - Zionist traitors who want to turn IRAN into Afghanistan

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access to 2/3 tunnel entrances at Esfahan's UCF has been restored

extent of damage inside the tunnels remains unclear, although virtually every above ground building was destroyed

 

[PakAl]

As was demonstrated in the last conflict, you cannot wreak havoc if Israel is destroying all your launch sites, that is why you need an airforce to protect the skies, and then the missiles can do their jobs.

The launch rate went down substantially as Israel started to destroy tunnel entrances and start to hunt down missile launcher TELs.

Next time Israel will do worse, they can destroy military bases, weaponary, ports and even economy facilities if Iran hurts Israel alot. Iran needs an airforce or atleast some kind of powerful bomb to protect itself if faced with an invasion or existence threat.

 

[PakAl]

you are right. but it's not sustainable for Israel to suppress 5+ entrances to 20+ separate missile bases in the West of Iran alone 1200km+ away for many weeks. not including central or east Iran bases.

recently it seems missile tests are taking place more in the east of Iran and from dispersed locations not connected to known missile sites

in any event, the bases did their job and protected the missiles, and the entrances can be dug out again in a few hours-days. so each time Israel wants to attack they have to suppress every single entrance all over again

What if Iran has 2000 truck launched missiles ready to be fired, these trucks can fire and move to safe location, reload and fire again. I am wondering if that be better for Iran, similarly how Hizbollah gave Israel a good beating during 2006 war, they fired rockets and moved to a different location to avoid being targetted by Israeli jets.

 

[Jalz]

What if Iran has 2000 truck launched missiles ready to be fired, these trucks can fire and move to safe location, reload and fire again. I am wondering if that be better for Iran, similarly how Hizbollah gave Israel a good beating during 2006 war, they fired rockets and moved to a different location to avoid being targetted by Israeli jets.

The problem with that is Israel has deep intelligence penetration in the IRGC. The IRGC is probably doing its best to remove israeli spies so it can carry out a 2006 style war against Israel if need be. However Iran still has things to lose. Iran has a large energy and manufacturing industry. Unless Iran is pushed to the brink the IRGC will never engage in a full scale war with israel.

 

[PakAl]

Yes, Pakistanis and Afghanis are more comfortable in their own skin. Unfortunately it's sad to say, but many Iranians have the same mentality as Indians, Koreans, and to a lesser extent, Japanese; white worship mentality.

Now you are a Pakistani. You never lived under the Islamic Republic in Iran. Your society is more conservative and it regulates itself. Pakistan has a relatively secular democratic government. You don't have morality police harassing women for hijab. You don't have government dictated morality. It's that simple.

Iran is not an example of a healthy society. This stupid regime pushed young people away from hijab. Nobody, NOBODY likes it when government tries to enter their private life and tell them how to live, what to wear. They used to send teenage Basijis to bother women for hijab. You know what happened to them? People would get angry and beat them up. They get their asses kicked all the time. Then some disgruntled basiji extremist types got upset and decided to throw acid in women's faces; totally ruined their lives.

Whatever way Iranians need to change their gharbzadegi mentality, I don't know. But what I do know is this government is sure getting it wrong.

Living in a pro Islamic anti U.S. government doesn't mean sh**. I have lived in Japan. Apart from Tokyo, all the other cities, women there are modestly dress, no tattoos, no disgusting nose piercings. They also live under one of the most pro U.S. governments on earth.

Now compare to holy Iran:

-Mullahs stealing money,
-Mullahs preaching hatred
-Corruption rampant, incompetence in every level of government
-Country infested with mossad
-Riots in the streets every few years, young people are miserable
-Brain drain
-Ecological disaster
-Economic mismanagement
-Population becoming less and less religious as the years go by

There is good governance, and then there is ass backwards terrible governance. I think it's clear which one Iran has.

Real Islamic government is good governance, justice, peace, unity, education, human rights etc. Muslim nation should educate the youth to follow Islam, not force them, the women should wear hijab from their hearts not because they're scared of the morality police. I want iranian army, airforce and navy to become apolitical and professional military, follow strict discipline and merit based promotions. They will become lethal. The army must be patriotic and iranian nationalist with respect to religious values, you don't want extreme secular nationalist to rise who will then topple the Ayatullahs and IRGC.

 

[PakAl]

how would this guy know? are all these FMs receiving classified security briefings on Israeli military buildups then texting Araghchi to warn him? does China have radar systems in Iraq or Syria to detect that?

If Turkey or anyone else wanted to warn Iran they had hours to do so publicly while Israeli jets flew over Syria and Iraq on their way to Iran.

Saudi Arabia couldn't detect Israeli jets flying down the Red Sea to fire ALBMs over their entire territory to Qatar.

I am sure these countries mentioned to Iran the broader risk of an imminent war, but I don't believe they were aware of the attack and warned Iran in real time.

Even i knew Israel will attack Iran. It's their mindset, for them they're too special to be attacked directly by Iran. Even now Israel is 100% planning on making Iran in to Libya and Syria so they can boast. They will go after Iran long range missiles and missile facilities, no nation in the middleeast must be able to threaten Israel, this is so their messiah feels safe to come.

 

[PakAl]

The problem with that is Israel has deep intelligence penetration in the IRGC. The IRGC is probably doing its best to remove israeli spies so it can carry out a 2006 style war against Israel if need be. However Iran still has things to lose. Iran has a large energy and manufacturing industry. Unless Iran is pushed to the brink the IRGC will never engage in a full scale war with israel.

During the recent war Israel leaders made threats if Iran harms Israel greatly then Israel will destroy Iran economic facilities so your point is correct. They can easily target all ports, oil and gas fields, noone can stop them, maybe this is why Iran avoided targetting Israeli power plants and the rest. Israel can also make nuclear threats behind the scenes, we never know what level they can reach.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Even i knew Israel will attack Iran. It's their mindset, for them they're too special to be attacked directly by Iran. Even now Israel is 100% planning on making Iran in to Libya and Syria so they can boast. They will go after Iran long range missiles and missile facilities, no nation in the middleeast must be able to threaten Israel, this is so their messiah feels safe to come.

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we all knew Israel will attack

the question is whether these FMs knew exactly when the attack was happening and warned Iran. that is the part I call BS on.

 

[kastor ville]

Next time Israel will do worse, they can destroy military bases, weaponary, ports and even economy facilities if Iran hurts Israel alot. Iran needs an airforce or atleast some kind of powerful bomb to protect itself if faced with an invasion or existence threat.

Yeah...Israel is so kind they didn't really try last time around. Next time will be different..
Do you really think if they can level Iran they wouldn't? Phulease....they sued for a ceasefire after 12 days because they got shocked Iran's missiles were getting through....they never counted on Iran landing so missiles, also they thought the US would take over and fight on their behalf...

 

[kastor ville]

Even i knew Israel will attack Iran. It's their mindset, for them they're too special to be attacked directly by Iran. Even now Israel is 100% planning on making Iran in to Libya and Syria so they can boast. They will go after Iran long range missiles and missile facilities, no nation in the middleeast must be able to threaten Israel, this is so their messiah feels safe to come.

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You Pakistanis give way too much credit to this little apartheid psuedo state.....I've been hearing this stuff for a decade from you guys....just like the Arabs, always afraid for the West.
Iran shocked you guys by beating them out of Iraq.
Shocked you guys after they fired on the US base.
Shocked you guys with TP-1 and 2.
And then firing on Qatar.
And finally hitting Israel like no one ever has.
We might never win an all out war...but we showed the world these monkies are not invincible
If you all ever found your balls and got your shit together and ally yourselves with other Muslim counties, then they would never even dare to attack another nation in the middle east.
But as long as our entire neighborhood is governed by bootlickers we will never be safe.... None of us.

 

[vmro]

I am wondering if that be better for Iran, similarly how Hizbollah gave Israel a good beating during 2006 war, they fired rockets and moved to a different location to avoid being targetted by Israeli jets.

Pinnacle of the Axis vs zionists war... Hezbollah demonstrated the way of beating the entity on points, but staying strong on borderline and low-level but constant bombing their towns, with price to win for idf outweighed benefits...Success in epic proportions...

Unfortunately, Hezbollah, immediately after the war, literally had to enter into complex Lebanese politics, forced on hard collaborations, coalitions, and political compromises.... Politicians are hated by default, but they had no longer excuses for avoiding it.... Cursed political road... That was beginning of their end as real potent archenemy of the Zionists, unfortunately....

 

[ShapurII]

Hard to believe I say this, but for the first time, I actually believe Zarif:

روس‌ها هم سفر حاج قاسم به مسکو را خبری کردند و هم ارسال پهپادهای ایرانی در جنگ اوکراین را فاش کردند/روسیه دو خط قرمز دارد اول اینکه ایران نباید هیچ وقت با دنیا روابط آرام داشته باشد و دوم اینکه نباید با دنیا به درگیری برسد/به محض اینکه مذاکرات جامع را شروع کردیم بازی روس‌ها هم شروع شد/می‌دانستند اگر برجام به سرانجام برسد روابط ایران با دنیا عادی می‌شود و این خط قرمز روس‌هاست

روس‌ها هم سفر حاج قاسم به مسکو را خبری کردند و هم ارسال پهپادهای ایرانی در جنگ اوکراین را فاش کردند/روسیه دو خط قرمز دارد اول اینکه ایران نباید هیچ وقت با دنیا روابط آرام داشته باشد و دوم اینکه نباید با دنیا به درگیری برسد/به محض اینکه مذاکرات جامع ر

ظریف گفت: روس‌ها هم سفر حاج قاسم به مسکو را خبری کردند و هم ارسال پهپادهای ایرانی به روسیه در جنگ اوکراین را فاش کردند در حالی که بنده با حاج قاسم هم در عراق هم در ترکیه مذاکرات کردیم ولی جایی درز نکرد.

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