Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Starlord said:
Lets hope neither happens, but the issue remains that Netanyahu will keep pushing Americans to fight Iran, its in their nature to have a chaotic world so they can thrive.
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Jews always get what they want
 
Hayabusa said:
I disagree. I am not the one confused and I understand clearly what I am saying.

The conclusion here is that a full-scale military invasion is not required to dismantle the Iranian regime. Instead, a strategy of destabilization is sufficient by fracturing the country's government infrastructure and stability, public discontent will naturally lead to internal regime change. The current administration is already facing significant challenges, and if the U.S. were to intervene, it is highly probable that the government would collapse under the pressure. It would then be left with a smaller territory to govern.
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Again, what you're talking about is a "color revolution" (which is what happened in Nepal), and that phase has already passed in Iran, which has suffered several attempts at color revolutions in the last 40 years. To make matters worse, this time Iran managed to clean up the country, with Mossad and the CIA losing several teams; high-ranking officers inside Iran were captured and killed(Trump assumed in twitter). European embassies are rounded up with diplomats targeted for spying for Israel. Forget about a color revolution there now.

The US doesn't have the infrastructure in place for an open war against Iran, and if they bomb Iran, Iran will respond by bombing Israel and American bases in the Middle East for days...that's what will happen. Not to mention that the aytolls have soldiers in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia (now that it's anti-Israel because Israel recognized Somaliland), Bahrain, etc...

What they can do is a media stunt, where they win in the media with a kidnapping or assassination.
 
No land invasion will occur.

The US will use military means to support the rioters, hoping it will lead to a civil war and fragmentation (divide and conquer). The goal is for Iran to fall from within. The military means will be a mix of psychological, cyber and limited strikes to take out IRGC leadership.

This plan only works if the US thinks Iran’s response will be limited. As a deterrence, Iran will need to strike hard, and push the US into a confrontation, all the while attempting to negotiate with the US, but from a position of strength. If Iran fails to retaliate adequately, it will be left in a weakened position and will be coerced by the US to accept humiliating conditions.
 
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Trump said he obliterated Iran's nuclear program, would be a bit silly if he then attacked it again after 6 months

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first video is interesting. these guys have no fear of the security forces. yet claim the security forces massacre them with shot guns on sight. doesn't add up.
 
Persian Gulf said:
Trump said he obliterated Iran's nuclear program, would be a bit silly if he then attacked it again after 6 months
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There’s still sites to be hit. Entrances of Pick Axe mountain, the Project Amad sites in Parchin. Etc etc

Persian Gulf said:
first video is interesting. these guys have no fear of the security forces. yet claim the security forces massacre them with shot guns on sight. doesn't add up.
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They don’t have fear because they have been emboldened by Trump. Them dying is a benefit to their cause because it forces Trump to enforce his red line. Trump got duped by the same infamous red line that Obama got duped on Assad.

The riots won’t cease because they think this it, the moment of truth and that America will bomb Iran into surrender. There are many middle class people who became poor as the Toman has become worthless. Many youth in the street who are unemployed with no future.

These people have nothing to lose at this point. They will set fire to the country in order to see change. Whether that change is good or bad they don’t care. They are not rationale.
 
Americans only attack when they know for sure that there will be no response from Iran or when they think Iran's response will be symbolic.

Whatever Trump says, US will never attack if they know that Iran's response will be painful to US interests and this time Iran will strike all US bases in the region and disrupt oil supplies from the Gulf.

If Trump doesn't know that Iran is not Venezuela he will be quickly freed from his delusions by harsh Iranian response.

Show me a single example in modern history when threats, sanctions or even air campaign forced someone to capitulate - even Yugoslavia surrendered only because it expected ground invasion and because of pressure from Russia.
 
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GWXP said:
Americans only attack when they know for sure that there will be no response from Iran or when they think Iran's response will be symbolic.
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There is no chance Iran will do an all out attack on US forces. That will only invite a harsher counter response at time when the regime is in survival mode. You punch America in the mouth, they aren’t going to run away. Not anymore. The time for deterrence was 2020 when they killed Solemani.

What they are likely to do is another symbolic attack and hope Trump moves on to negotiations afterward. Why else would they reach out? The leadership is desperate at this point.

Like the Qajar dynasty they will have to negotiate away the nuclear enrichment program and any long range missiles. If they continue to drag their feet then more protests will show up a year or two from now. Or worse the U.S. establishes a no fly zone over Iran like they did on Iraq in the 90’s and “mows the lawn on Iran” periodically to keep it weak.
 
Immortals said:
There is no chance Iran will do an all out attack on US forces. That will only invite a harsher counter response at time when the regime is in survival mode. You punch America in the mouth, they aren’t going to run away. Not anymore. The time for deterrence was 2020 when they killed Solemani.

What they are likely to do is another symbolic attack and hope Trump moves on to negotiations afterward. Why else would they reach out? The leadership is desperate at this point.

Like the Qajar dynasty they will have to negotiate away the nuclear enrichment program and any long range missiles. If they continue to drag their feet then more protests will show up a year or two from now. Or worse the U.S. establishes a no fly zone over Iran like they did on Iraq in the 90’s and “mows the lawn on Iran” periodically to keep it weak.
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Who told you that "regime" is in survival mode because of these shitty protests?

Watch videos of these protests and you will see no more than 200-300 roaches in a country of 93mln people and then watch this:

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If we judge the probability of the regime falling by the example of Ukraine 2014 where 400.000 people went to the streets in Kiev with its population of 3mln people, then for the Iranian regime to fall there must be 2mln protesters in the 15mln populated Tehran metropolitan area alone.
 
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Immortals said:
There is no chance Iran will do an all out attack on US forces. That will only invite a harsher counter response at time when the regime is in survival mode. You punch America in the mouth, they aren’t going to run away. Not anymore. The time for deterrence was 2020 when they killed Solemani.

What they are likely to do is another symbolic attack and hope Trump moves on to negotiations afterward. Why else would they reach out? The leadership is desperate at this point.

Like the Qajar dynasty they will have to negotiate away the nuclear enrichment program and any long range missiles. If they continue to drag their feet then more protests will show up a year or two from now. Or worse the U.S. establishes a no fly zone over Iran like they did on Iraq in the 90’s and “mows the lawn on Iran” periodically to keep it weak.
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That's why you flatten all the zio-proxies in the region, namely UAE...Iran should unleash hell on UAE if attacked.
 
SaadH said:
That's why you flatten all the zio-proxies in the region, namely UAE...Iran should unleash hell on UAE if attacked.
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If any western attack is carried out from their territory against Iran, then total destruction is needed in case of an all out war, including razing tall buildings, energy infrastructure, ports (airports, seaports), water desalination facilities. It should not be a place for tourism or investment for coming 100 years.

They made the attack against Iran possible by demanding our islands and maximum pressure campaign and working with Israel.
 
U.S. government funding runs out on January 30

If Congress does not pass a budget or a short-term extension by then, parts of the government shuts downs starting around midnight.

Right now, Congress and the Trump are trying to make a deal so that does not happen.

If Congress fails to agree by the deadline, any agency that is not funded has to shut down. If that happens, Democrats gain leverage, while Trump and Republicans lose ground.

I speculate that Trump might attack in the coming days to increase pressure on Congress and make a deal before shutdown.

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