Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

There was supposed to be a follow up meeting this week —there wasn’t. Not sure what there is left to negotiate. U.S. and Iran have been negotiating for 22 years. They know each others terms as they have discussed terms ad nauseam for decades.

If a deal is gonna get done it won’t take more than 2 weeks to know. There isn’t any further lengthy discussions needed or “consulting with capitals”. They been discussing and dragging their feet for 22 years.

Either agree to a deal or end this farce.

if Trump is willing to accept Iranian enrichment (Fidan said he is) then a deal is now possible in principle, that was always the main obstacle

 

[Shags101]

if Trump is willing to accept Iranian enrichment (Fidan said he is) then a deal is now possible in principle, that was always the main obstacle

Something is off unless they have offered trump a great share in the project if it’s the regional consortium deal they had spoke about in the past and not talking about American investors but trump investors so he can so to speak enrich himself even more.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Something is off unless they have offered trump a great share in the project if it’s the regional consortium deal they had spoke about in the past and not talking about American investors but trump investors so he can so to speak enrich himself even more.

I don't think this regional consortium is still in play considering the negotiations are between the US and Iran only

and Iran will insist on enriching taking place inside Iran in any event

 

[Navid09]

Apologize for what? The person he quoted lost the 100K bet. There was no strike on Iran.

You can’t think every rich person gambling has inside information.

The person doesn't have to be right to win, they just need the likelihood of the event to increase before selling it.

So even if Israel/USA does not attack Iran, but U know there is going to be more posturing, you would make the bet and quickly sell before signs of diplomacy kicks in.

Having said that, I can't remember if this guy done that and can't find his account no more to check.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Turkish FM: "the Americans appear willing to tolerate Iranian enrichment within clearly set boundaries"

Iranians vindicated as Fidan confirms the US has back tracked from its public red lines in private

Fidan also said any bombing on Iran would be pointless and would not lead to regime change

Why do we consider Fidan as a reliable source for what the US is actually thinking? Araghchi described previous talks as positive up until the US bombed Iran. Why would they give Iran any leeway on enrichment?

 

[mulj]

But you have to understand that the range of the CVN is far greater than any of the anti ship missiles that Iran can lob at it.
The argument that US cant establish air dominance because Iran has anti ship to stop the carrier group wont work if your AAD doesnt stop the endless sorties of F18 and SEADs

They are not endless due fuel and air defence cover which is limited, drones swarms could diminish their operational function rather fast.

 

[mulj]

One more thing i noticed about those rallies, people walked orderly and calm manner at the same time streets remained clean or communal service worked at frantic pace.
That is almost every time sign of high level natural and non artificial civilisation and culture.

 

[SolarWarden]

So USS Bush is heading to middle east and now USS Ford.

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Seems like attack will likely big much bigger and it looks like the month of march will see cht happen.

 

[mulj]

US is testing advance weapons in the Iran theater

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Bro, he placed lie at the beginning stating about 60 miles near iranian shore, rest is science fiction stuff emerged out of the opening liel

 

[ToddE]

What money are you really talking about? Iran's current account balance is positive, but it's not as big as you claim. From 2022 to 2025, Iran had an average surplus of USD 13 to 14 billion. This indicates that the country's balance of payments is in the green. Typically, this surplus is either kept in the Merkez Bank as a reserve, which you say isn't happening, or it can be moved to different accounts, like offshore ones.

Based on this, you think that anti-Islamist members of the establishment are using these resources to plan a coup.

Just to clarify:

There’s no evidence to support your claims. The question is, why would they do this if they’re already trying/planning to overthrow the system?

There are also a few other points you seem to overlook, even though I’m pretty sure you’re subconsciously aware of them.

To put it simply: Iran is a very costly country for any leader, regime, or royal house in power to rule over.

With over 90 million citizens, a large land area, and a very hostile and complicated geography/topography, plus the active global sanctions that make imports much more expensive, since every good and every sanctioned product has to change hands multiple times before reaching Iran, you’ll see that the number you’ve been repeating for weeks isn’t as reliable and trustworthy as you think. Don’t forget that governments also have shadow budgets that aren’t reflected in official records. Just Syria has cost Iran between 30 to 50 billion USD. What about money for Hezbelloh, Iraqi proxies, Houthis and even Venezuela?

LOL You are trying to come across as some expert on Iran but considering the kind of propaganda your kind lives in under Jew controlled Erdogan so I am not surprised, how clueless you are talking about something you have zero idea about.



https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.CD

Using the IMF based CEIC Data, https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/iran/trade-balance. Irans totals imply a massive surplus:

Total exports were $112 Billion USD,
Total imports were about $69 Billion USD
Trade balance was $43 Billion USD

You know what changed since then ? Iranian oil production has increased to 5+ MBPD so do this simple maths in your head or ask an adult around to do it for you what happens when an oil producing giant increases its oil production capacity solely for export against zero increase in local consumption ?

So there goes your cliam of "which money". If you chose to not see it out of pure bias then be my guest because I dont care. I know why you anatolians come in our section to spread misinformation.

Sure, the IRGC might have taken a few billion here and there, but when you add rampant corruption to the mix, you’ll realize that your 100-billion-dollar argument lacks a solid foundation. It is more like wishful thinking.



Turkey is among the countries with the least debt in the Western World, NATO, and the EU.

View Turkey's Government Debt: % of GDP from Dec 2001 to Sep 2025 in the chart:​

It is literally your weakest argument.

Haha, you are showing me Government debt while external debt is public+private ... Thats your entire country. I think you have zero understanding. You can play this trick of showing low public debt and country may still be financially gripped by the ballz from outside (Jew-West) due to MASSIVE external debt and reliance on foreign financing especially private sector FX liabilities which basically constitutes your GDP. Government is a mere administrator or an office running the country, it can be debt free and yet country can still be owned from the outside on which its a mere administrator. What are they teaching your people in schools there ? You think Jew infested Western financial institutions are that stupid that they will keep creditiing turkish private sector that your GDP is made of, and have Zero leverages over the government that collects money from these foriegn funded massive entities to run the country? These financial institutions of west be it IMF, WB, Private funds, Banks all act as weapons to grip governments. Turkey is no exception otherwise you would be sanctioned like Iran. You know how much external debt Iran has ? <1 %. This is why we have this thread while your country supplies 5-6 Billion USD worth raw material including oil to Israel at height of sunni arab genocides by Israel. Thats why your government protects Israel from Hezbollah by cutting off their access to Iraq and Iran.

The IMF has reported Turkey’s external debt around the ~45–52% of GDP range in recent years depending on year/definition. It was as high as 50.5 % in 2022. Current figure is around 575 Billiion USD https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/external-debt This comes from Western financial systems (Jew leverage). BIS data show sizeable claims on Turkey by banks of Spain, France, the UK, the US, and Germany, all themselves massively debted entities from IMF, WB and private creditors. Basically Jew dens.

 

[ToddE]

Could it not be that the money was simply stolen by anyone in the distribution chain? Doesn't necessarily have to be Iranian leadership or even Iranian for that matter?

Or maybe they have no means to return it e.g it's physical gold, crypto, physical assets such as property or Chinese currency etc?

Chinese pay back through 3rd parties but they always do. Siphoning off is what seems to have happened. Remember it happened during Rohani admin as well, sudden currency fall. It always happens under reformists.

 

[ToddE]

I don't think there is a deep state in iran killing conservatives...it just so happens that the people in power happen to be conservatives, and they're being assassinated.
Second, sending messages to your enemy is not forbidden any forum of politics..... It's actually good politics. Besides, there hasn't been any direct contacts only through intermediaries.

On the contrary, every single Iranian think tanks including the ones sitting outside seem to think that IRI's deep state formed somewhere around 2000s and is getting more and more ayatollah free. They think its made of academics, business entities, IRGC, intelligence community, politicians etc. He did not mention Ayatollahs.

 

[vizier]

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Another new weapon is being tested against drone swarms. Possibly it knocks out the drones non-kinetically(thus reusable reducing costs to almost zero) by emp-beam from close range.

Shaheed drones do not use direct communication link but its inertial navigation system. The gps(glonass/baidu) antenna if exists is vulnurable to this kind of attack. Shielding should be controlled and improved if necessary. If it has communication link, data transmission, gps(not as reliable as in the past) or similar the circuits should open at the end of targeting phase very close to the target to make final fixes.

emp based anti-drone weapons claim that they can counter shielding but those are mostly high energy ground based systems. I doubt for a drone like this without frying its own circuits how it overcomes shielding. Maybe it directs its beams and aims at antennas on the drones. So open-close circuitry and shielding should be added to antenna circuits and kamikaze drones should rely mostly on shielded inertial navigation system until they are close to target. Also internal software is mostly enough for simple triggering like attached manpads.

As the nature of these technologies is to evolve so the counter systems evolve as well. If it worked once in history(for example Hezbollah-Hamas sustained mlrs strategy worked well in previous decades until recent conflicts) it most probably wont work well in future conflicts if it does not improve considering countermeasures.

 

[vizier]

if Trump is willing to accept Iranian enrichment (Fidan said he is) then a deal is now possible in principle, that was always the main obstacle

There are several options left to initiate a conflict.

1-) usa agrees(seemingly ofcourse) the deal. israel wont accept it and just like in June starts the attack during final phase of negotiations. Usa carriers will be in the zone. During this surprise attack after Iranian counter attack some elements of usa would claim they are struck too and usa will enter the conflict as well against Iran.

If the attack is detected by Iran coming from israel only Iran should only focus on israel. This will diffuse that option. Detecting the main source-direction of the attack is difficult but possible. In either way if not sufficient attack movement is detected coming from Usa israel should be hit first and after attack source is proven Usa elements should be hit.

2) Iran made the choice of non-wmd and is open for nuclear negotiation items. Unaccaptable demands that compromises Irans security like bm reductions can be put forward by trump to cancel the agreement later on and initiate the conflict. Although they are contradicting their current stance that is still a possbility.

 

[Shags101]

The person doesn't have to be right to win, they just need the likelihood of the event to increase before selling it.

So even if Israel/USA does not attack Iran, but U know there is going to be more posturing, you would make the bet and quickly sell before signs of diplomacy kicks in.

Having said that, I can't remember if this guy done that and can't find his account no more to check.

Don’t overthink it it was just supposed to be a funny weird coincidence