Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Are the reports about mobilizing troops to the Iraqi borders true?

routine behaviour to target PJAK terrorists, nothing special

 

[tsunset]

Pahlavists have hamster wheels instead of brains

 

[ShapurII]

none of them, they are only representative of young people in Tehran

they are the most educated yet the most brainwashed and most naive if they think freedom comes from American and Israeli bombs...

They think that their voices are not and will not be heard.
So, they are hoping that foreign intervention would change the situation.

Also, the majority of university students in Tehran are from other cities. Besides that, the population pyramid of Iran clearly shows that more than 50% of the population are below 35 years.

 

[ShapurII]

Are the reports about mobilizing troops to the Iraqi borders true?

Yes, Israel is arming Kurdish separatists against Iran.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Because he claims that China is not interested in military involvement in the Middle East because nobody wants to give them military bases here.

The question is, what do they offer militarily to begin with? Can you, for the sake of argument, imagine a China that confronts the US militarily over defense pacts with another nation? Can you imagine a Chinese nuclear umbrella against the US?

It's like I claim that nobody wants me to play in international tennis tournaments while I have never participated in any smaller tournaments in recent years. What has been China's record in recent military developments in the world? In most cases, they were just bystanders, minding their own business while counting their dollars quietly.

Russia is no longer a great power. They're stuck in Ukraine.
China is a major global power, possibly the only country that can challenge the United States, but it is non-confrontational.
I believe China's Taiwan policy is not based on military intervention. They believe when China finally progresses beyond a certain level, the people of Taiwan will be willing to join China again. It's a smart plan, but whether it will materialize or not is to be seen.

Most Chinese leaders are always more passive and patient compared to other leaders in the world.

Otherwise, what do you think that China can dwarf the US in term of industrial capability and soon surpass them in the technology and military from all domains?

China's success comes from its patient to build up its own power instead of meddling in foreign affairs like the US and Russia.

However, China soon has realized that the US has started to meddle/disrupt China's business abroad, so we have to start to get more involved in the foreign affairs.

The US doesn't want China to keep quiet and getting stronger exponentially under their watch.

They want China to waste more energy to get involved in foreign affairs rather quietly developing into alien technology.

Ok, so China will get involved this time, and it will try to salvage Iran who is currently getting hostage by the US.

 

[Persian Gulf]

in late 2024, Iran revealed the "Jihad" missile

- upgraded version of Qiam missile with guided warhead and longer range (1000km range vs 700-800km for Qiam)
- dual launcher
- liquid fuel
- cheap and mass produced

the closest point of Iran's borders is around 1020km from Tel Aviv, so it is questionable if it can reach Israel (probably it can with a slightly smaller warhead), but it can be a good candidate for the USAF base in Jordan

 

[Persian Gulf]

They think that their voices are not and will not be heard.
So, they are hoping that foreign intervention would change the situation.

Also, the majority of university students in Tehran are from other cities. Besides that, the population pyramid of Iran clearly shows that more than 50% of the population are below 35 years.

well if we exclude those under 16 as children then university students are still a minority

the average kid from Bandar Abbas or Kerman is not going to university in Tehran

 

[ShapurII]

Most Chinese leaders are always more passive and patient compared to other leaders in the world.

Otherwise, what do you think that China can dwarf the US in term of industrial capability and soon surpass them in the technology and military from all domains?

China's success comes from its patient to build up its own power instead of meddling in foreign affairs in the US and Russia.

However, China soon has realized that the US has started to meddle/disrupt China's business abroad, so we have to start to get more involved in the foreign affairs.

The US doesn't want China to keep quiet and getting stronger exponentially under their watch.

They want China to waste more energy to get involved in foreign affairs rather quietly developing into alien technology.

Ok, so China will get involved this time, and it will try to salvage Iran who is currently getting hostage by the US.

I do agree that China's strategy of non-confrontation in the past couple of decades has been smart and it worked pretty great as long as the United States respected the rules of the game.

The US no longer respects the rules of the game and is becoming increasingly aggressive under the MAGA ideology. Will China change her strategy or not? Only time will tell.

My guess is that China will wait out Trump instead of reevaluating its policies, but everything is possible and I can be completely wrong.

 

[Persian Gulf]

in 2022 Iran unveiled the "Rezvan" ballistic missile

- 1400km range
- single stage
- liquid fuel
- separating warhead
- reaches mach 8 terminal velocity
- only 88cm diameter

another small and cheap option which can reach Israel from deep within Iran

Ansarallah (Yemen) has been using this missile against Israel (at ranges of >2000km) before it was unveiled by Iran

 

[wangdefa]

yes Mizar space is helping, and I hope this is happening on an ongoing basis behind the scenes as well so that Iran can target US ships when necessary

No matter what result Iran ultimately chooses, I think you Iranians yourselves have realized some issues. While the enemy is gathering military forces at your doorstep preparing for war, you are still arguing among yourselves about who is right and who is wrong, instead of uniting your voices. What I want to say is that this is not a basketball game; lives and the future of the country are at stake. In my view, it seems that Iran is not yet ready internally.

 

[ShapurII]

well if we exclude those under 16 as children then university students are still a minority

the average kid from Bandar Abbas or Kerman is not going to university in Tehran

What makes you say that? There are plenty of people from Bandar Abbas and Kerman in the universities of Tehran.

We have a regional quota system for that purpose. We have three regional quotas, called سهمیه مناطق. It is there to ensure that all cities, regardless of how developed they are, are represented in top universities.

Well, if you want to exclude those under 16, then change your age range to 18 to 45. You'll still capture most of the population and I can guarantee you that the popularity of the regime is still pretty bad.

The Islamic Republic used to make fun of the MEK for being a bunch of Pir-o-Patal people. Now the same has happened to the fanbase of the regime itself. Most of its supporters are already older than 45.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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in 2022 Iran unveiled the "Rezvan" ballistic missile

- 1400km range
- single stage
- liquid fuel
- separating warhead
- reaches mach 8 terminal velocity
- only 88cm diameter

another small and cheap option which can reach Israel from deep within Iran

Ansarallah (Yemen) has been using this missile against Israel (at ranges of >2000km) before it was unveiled by Iran

bro, how much these missile cost, a pop?

 

[Persian Gulf]

What makes you say that? There are plenty of people from Bandar Abbas and Kerman in the universities of Tehran.

We have a regional quota system for that purpose. We have three regional quotas, called سهمیه مناطق. It is there to ensure that all cities, regardless of how developed they are, are represented in top universities.

Well, if you want to exclude those under 16, then change your age range to 18 to 45. You'll still capture most of the population and I can guarantee you that the popularity of the regime is still pretty bad.

The Islamic Republic used to make fun of the MEK for being a bunch of Pir-o-Patal people. Now the same has happened to the fanbase of the regime itself. Most of its supporters are already older than 45.

simple numbers. there are far more people reaching university age outside of Tehran than places available in Tehran universities each year. so naturally the majority of them will not study in Tehran universities.

I never said IRI is popular, though I do believe they still have a plurality (not majority) of support. you can disagree. but 22 Bahman rallies are far larger than any anti government rallies I ever saw (2009 green movement came close). people always exclude rural Iranians who overwhelmingly support the IRI.

anyway, as the Chinese guy said, I hope if the war comes that we can all unite as Iranians and even if we can't win, we give the bastards a bloody nose and go out fighting.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I do agree that China's strategy of non-confrontation in the past couple of decades has been smart and it worked pretty great as long as the United States respected the rules of the game.

The US no longer respects the rules of the game and is becoming increasingly aggressive under the MAGA ideology. Will China change her strategy or not? Only time will tell.

My guess is that China will wait out Trump instead of reevaluating its policies, but everything is possible and I can be completely wrong.

The US has undergone completely rogue under MAGA, and the old global order is going crumbling.

The world cannot live without a stable global order, or everything will be plunged into chaos.

China is currently assessing to fill the void.

However, China is pondering if the world can accept China's political/economic model known as the socialism with Chinese characteristic.

This model is product of the communism and the Chinese traditional culture.

China never trusts the pure capitalism because China's past great dynasties were ruined by the capitalism.

China has started to practise capitalism since 1000 years ago, but it ended up with those traitorous capitalists had sold out its motherland just for pennies.

So China's dominated world will put heavy restriction on capitalism for the world not being ruined by the greed of the capitalism.

So the non-American capitalists need to think twice if they want to live a world under China's dominance even they are currently being bullied by the American capitalists under Trump's leadership.

 

[Persian Gulf]

bro, how much these missile cost, a pop?

they won't sell it to me so I don't know, but I have seen estimates of $500,000 for the cheaper liquid fuel missiles.

we know massive Simorgh SLV with 2.4m diameter first stage (4x vernier engines) and 1.5m second stage (and optional third stage) costs $3.5m per launch. so for sure these simple single stage liquid fuel missiles with old mass produced engine tech and < 1m diameter are < $1m each.