Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Tamerlane said:
I’m left scratching my head at Iran’s decision not to build nukes when it was a known thing that Israel and US were baying for Iranian blood. While not an Islamic scholar myself I think that I can come up with a robust argument based on the Quran why it is allowed to take an eye for an eye. Meaning that if the enemy is threatening to slaughter your civilians then you should be able to do the same to them. Unfortunately, based on the flawed interpretation of one man Iran is seeing its little girls massacred and their country destroyed.
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This is the same country that was hit with chemical weapons by Saddam and didn’t respond with chemical weapons.

This was the same country whose diplomats were beheaded by Taliban fanatics and all they did was line up their forces on the border and fake as if they were going to invade and never did.

So yes, it’s not shocking that such a risk averse Government never took the final risk for nuclear weapons. It actually makes a lot of sense when you look at prior decision making.

Keep in mind they had a chance to learn from Saddam and Ghaddafi and routinely described those lessons in formulating their deterrence and still they decided to not take the path to the bomb.

Social Darwinism.
 
Arash said:
First.
Even if the old man is dead. What does it change strategically fireman? Nothing.
Second, israeli news are most of the time all about exaggeration and lies.........
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If Ayatollah Khamenei is Killed By Israel, he will rightfully be the biggest Martyr that Shia Islam has produced in a millennia.
 
Tamerlane said:
I’m left scratching my head at Iran’s decision not to build nukes when it was a known thing that Israel and US were baying for Iranian blood. While not an Islamic scholar myself I think that I can come up with a robust argument based on the Quran why it is allowed to take an eye for an eye. Meaning that if the enemy is threatening to slaughter your civilians then you should be able to do the same to them. Unfortunately, based on the flawed interpretation of one man Iran is seeing its little girls massacred and their country destroyed.

Then the peace talks. I think that one purpose for them was for Israel and US to get confirmation that Iran really does not have nukes. The more the Iranians tried to convince the US that they really didn’t have nukes the more likely it became that Trump would order the attack.
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It's what happens when you mix religion in state affairs. You have a thousand different opinions, versus the state's sole reason to protect its citizenry.
 
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Tamerlane said:
I’m left scratching my head at Iran’s decision not to build nukes when it was a known thing that Israel and US were baying for Iranian blood. While not an Islamic scholar myself I think that I can come up with a robust argument based on the Quran why it is allowed to take an eye for an eye. Meaning that if the enemy is threatening to slaughter your civilians then you should be able to do the same to them. Unfortunately, based on the flawed interpretation of one man Iran is seeing its little girls massacred and their country destroyed.

Then the peace talks. I think that one purpose for them was for Israel and US to get confirmation that Iran really does not have nukes. The more the Iranians tried to convince the US that they really didn’t have nukes the more likely it became that Trump would order the attack.
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Nuclear weapons is no different then a bomb, you can just bomb an aircraft carrier for example

So thats not the reason it was deliberate choice..they saw an opportunity USA fatigue to war. So they took it back stabbing us in the process destroying qadeer khan.

AQ khan didnt deserve the back stabbing they did

Giving complete blueprints

And it worked with sanctions gone, moeny pouring in, for a while Iran flourished which led them to become rich and expand the proxy war to whole region. Iran was arrogant enough to say no to Pakistan for IP gase pipeline on our terms(asking for twice the money we were offering okay your gas your choice)

Who would have thought Trump will come in power..

A miscalculation but very calculated back stabbing of Pakistan
 
TallGuy said:
good morning! how are you?

Iran as nation has proven they have the linage and national pride to hit the entity and puppets.

i can not say it about my country or even other (56 states in the world)

nobody has the balls of steel and spine of steel!

this is the honest truth you know it!
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So you went from congratulating total victory to they have courage? Yes Iran shows resolved but they are fighting because they have no option, they were given no option.
Now you can join the long list of people who are born and live in Pakistan but loyalties lies in Iran/KSa/Afghanistan, don't matter... but reality is different on ground, so far Iran lost many military commanders, civilians, and military bases are being hit, we have seen some impacts in Tel Aviv and other ME countries but any major causality reported? nope, any important figure from Israel or USA navy got hit ? Nope, in fact we see some hits in countries like Bahrain/Kuwait/UAE which are no where near to Israel or America when it comes military compatibility, so yes your statement as emotional support is fine but reality is not what you are wishing for and even Iranians can see that things are grim.
 
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@Persian Gulf

This changes things. That is a lot just for Qatar.

There has to be a way to target missile batteries to neutralize the defense systems otherwise Iran would have no choice but to try targeting critical infrastructure to raise costs if they can't cause military damage

Not talking about Qatar's infrastructure but rather Israel and maybe others

Will Russia/China help Iran target Patriot/Thaad batteries or they chicken out?

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