Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

America is looking for a third party to get involved in the war against Iran to complete the mission and allow it and Israel to exit the scene. I hope Saudi Arabia does not get involved, as it is the only Arab party capable of carrying out the mission.


SA should just look the other way and let US bases get pummelled. US did something similar with Qatar didnt they?
 
3rd post and you have failed to give citations for alleged "fanboys".

And you failed to answer the question of what self reliance Turkey has NOT pursued.

You just want to take swipes at Turkey.

No interest in taking swipes at Turkey. Actually, quite the opposite. But you seem triggered so no point in having this conversation with you. Better to end it.
 
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Alastair Crooke said it 2-3 years ago when the Israel-Gaza war was raging that the Iranian war plans are resort to decentralized counter attacks if the central leadership was decimated with many decoys and many well sheltered, well hidden missile attack sites.

I believe Hezbollah should throw its weight fully, as should the Houthis and whatever militias willing to do in Iraq and they all should focus their attacks on Israel and those Arab bases aiding with the attack on Iran. That's a potential game changer in this war.
This is the result of the failures by Iranian leadership. It sat idle while Hezbollah was decimated and Gaza was turned into rubble. Too little too late
 
There’s a new leadership now. Our AD was always shit. Tehran is nothing like Gaza. IRGC are still throwing punches.

Oh really, how does a new leader change anything? Did a new leader save Hamas or Hezbollah, both neutered and irrelevant. Tehran is becoming like Gaza, it wont happen overnight but the airstrikes going towards Iran are incomparable to whatever punch Iran is throwing back. I'm just being real!
 

The months of planning behind US-Israeli mission to target Iran's supreme leader​


Gordon Corera
BBC Security analyst

Getty Images A portrait of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is displayed next to Iranian flags, candles and a book of condolences at a mosque in Cape Town


The attack that killed Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei came not in the middle of the night, as might have been expected, but in the middle of the morning.

That was because the US and Israel decided to take advantage of a piece of crucial intelligence that had arrived hours before.

For months, they had been watching for a moment of opportunity when senior Iranian figures might be meeting and they learnt Khamenei was going to be at a compound in central Tehran on Saturday morning.

They also had a fix on the location of other senior military and intelligence figures meeting at the same time.

For months the US and Israel had been tracking the supreme leader's movements. The exact methods they used are secret although US President Donald Trump in a social media post did hint at them.

"He was unable to avoid our intelligence and highly sophisticated tracking systems."

This could have been a human source reporting back but it may be more likely to be technical tracking of Iranian individuals.

Getty Images President Donald Trump is sat with a white USA cap on listening to Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe speaking in foreground and around the table there is US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles.


Trump and his team monitored events from a makeshift war room in Mar a Lago

In the 12-day war last June, Israel targeted scientists and officials linked to Iran's nuclear programme and was reported to have been using penetration of telecoms and mobile phone systems to understand the movement of individuals.

That included sometimes tracking the movements of bodyguards who were linked to key officials.
Over the long term, this can help build up a "pattern of life" to predict and understand activity as well as search for moments of vulnerability.

Iran knew the supreme leader was in the sights of its enemies and so the failure to identify and deal with these vulnerabilities in the intervening months suggests a deep failure for Iranian security and counterintelligence or else the ability of Israel and the US to continue to adapt their methods to find new ways of tracking.

The Iranians may also have calculated that a daylight attack was less likely.
 
Today in Manchester city center, they had a party atmosphere with loud music and dancing. The different Iranian flag (same tri colour but with a lion holding a sword - which I guess is the older flag before the revolution) all around, celebrating the martyrdom of Khamenei.

That would be still be fair enough - they love their country but hate the mullahs, makes sense, but there were a lot of Israeli flags! and that I cannot get my head around.

For anyone to be waving the flag of the entity, despite the genocide which the whole world saw on their screens, is despicable. For a Muslim to be doing that, is beyond my comprehension.
They are not muslims by self proclamation, where do you live man.
 


This will not happen. Unlike Syria or Afghanistan Iran does not have different ethnic or religious factions fighting for power or partition. Iranian people (bar the few rich royalists sitting in the west) are united.
 

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