Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[lightning f57]

Why would the fleet be on the ground waiting to be bombed ? Why wouldn't the bases be defended with proper SHORADs, and CIWS solutions to defend against JASSM and Tomahawks ? Pakistan demonstrated that you can do this quite well ( minor holes that were uncovered in Pakistan's layer in SIndoor attack will be filled..)

Why would the air force not be in the air operating with overlapping HIMAD IADS coverage, helping to shoot down those very JASSM and Tomahawks, and drones ?

I could go on, but I won't, but your attempting to frame the narrative within your framework for your scenario is illogical and other than you, I can't think of many people in this forum being in agreement with you about not having an airforce or the lack of value in having an airforce.

Iran has under invested it is air force and it has paid heavily for that, it's home grown tinker projects attempts at IADS components have either not worked, or have not been produced in mass to be able to demonstrate that they can work.

Iran needs to have a better defence of its airspace so that its offensive punch of its ballistic missiles can be more effective.

How many tens to hundreds of billions of dollars of infrastructure both civilian and military has been destroyed in Iran by not being able to defend Iran's airspace? Do you want to try and calculate that? Maybe other Iranian members can if they have enough context ?

The other issue is China or Russia wont get into a military pact with Iran and Irans chance of going nuclear may have passed now, whether they can do it clandenstine is debatable but they will need to leave NPT and that will bring more pressure even from allies.

They could use the nuclear card and say maybe we should make nukes to protect ourselves to push allies to provide fighter jets to defend themselves.

China wont sell flankers but the J10 will make a huge leap in capability with the PL15.

 

[PakFactor]

@RescueRanger my eyes will be on the Russian vote.

 

[ShapurII]

UNSC to vote on Bahrain’s proposal, which would authorize naval action in Strait of Hormuz​

By Nic Robertson and Mohammed Tawfeeq


Bahrain pushes for UN resolution to protect Strait of Hormuz

A draft UN Security Council resolution proposed by Bahrain would authorize countries to use “all defensive means necessary” to secure transit passage through the Strait of Hormuz, if adopted.

Two diplomats said the vote was set for Saturday morning, rather than Friday as earlier planned, according to Reuters.

A Gulf official said Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had spoken with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that there was an expectation Russia would not block the resolution. The official added the crown prince was expected to speak with “relevant” officials in China, with the expectation Beijing would also not block it.

However, in remarks to the Security Council on Thursday, China’s UN envoy Fu Cong opposed authorizing force, reported Reuters. Such a move would be “legitimizing the unlawful and indiscriminate use of force, which would inevitably lead to further escalation of the situation and lead to serious consequences,” he added.

The draft resolution, which CNN has obtained a copy of, deplores Iran’s actions as violations of international law and warns of adverse impacts on international trade, energy security, supply chains and the global economy.

It stresses that ships and aircraft enjoy a right of transit passage through the Strait of Hormuz that “shall not be impeded.”

The draft resolution would authorize member states, acting individually or through voluntary multinational naval partnerships that notify the Security Council in advance, to use defensive measures in the strait and adjacent waters – including within the territorial waters of littoral states bordering the strait – to secure transit passage and deter attempts to close or obstruct navigation.

The authorization would last at least six months from adoption and would require quarterly reporting by participating states.

The draft calls on participating states to coordinate their actions and ensure operations comply with international humanitarian law and applicable international human rights law, while respecting third states’ navigation rights.

It also stresses the authorization would apply only to the Strait of Hormuz and would not establish customary international law.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/03/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-oil

This is the final test for Iran's relations with China and Russia.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Both Russia and India are all pro-Israel which is an open fact.

It is but a lot of Muslims especially Middle Eastern Muslims think that russia is on their side against the zionists/west. When push comes to shove, russians, europeans, americans, israelis and all white people will band together against Muslims or ANY other non-whites. For WHATEVER reason, ALOT of Muslims are not prepared to accept this FACT.

 

[RescueRanger]

@RescueRanger my eyes will be on the Russian vote.

Depending on how they vote - we will know about orange as discussed earlier.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It is but a lot of Muslims especially Middle Eastern Muslims think that russia is on their side against the zionists/west. When push comes to shove, russians, europeans, americans, israelis and all white people will band together against Muslims or ANY other non-whites. For WHATEVER reason, ALOT of Muslims are not prepared to accept this FACT.

Yep, China was also worried that Russia might ally with Trump during his first term as China before 2020 cannot handle both USA and Russia either.

However, China now could be careless if Russia is willing to turn their head to the US as they are both getting weakened and a full rare earth sanction should be enough to put them on their knee.

 

[Aryan_B]

Take it back to regional spheres of Influence. Where Trump initially was heading... three great powers, US, China and Russia... no one took the bait. Or not yet, not visibly...
Zion knows it's size is both its strength and weakness. Weakness only if everyone unites... and strength because of it's ability to project and an outsized military compared to its neighbors for rather smaller borders to protect. It took vulnerable locations such as Golan heights and secured it's longest borders via treaties.

It needs the region to collapse politically. Which is why if Golani in Syria holds a unified state, even if he acquiesces to zion, is an unwelcome development. Besides they simply do not trust Turkiye. Which is why their aim is to collapse the state of Iran even if the regime meanders for a little bit... as long as they can establish impunity over Iranian skies... they can overtime find accomplices seeking little crowns and fiefs of their own... something they can back to channel the ambitious among people to do their bidding. A guiding hand.
India has been humbled, burnt both it's hand and mouth by drinking tea makers concoction. As a result India has precipitously collapsed globally.
Back to the original point... the three great powers...
Zion instead seeks to leverage a regional power globally... so not three but many... to work with regional hegemons... with choke hold in Europe and Americas... reasonable influence in Russia and Africa... as well as India in South Asia region.

I dont get why you would consider Zion on its own. It's a nothing burger, IT has few natural resources and in the absence of American support would be nothing more than a Jordan. Its an artificial country that only exists on charity from west without that the would be busty musty. They went bankrupt in 1992 and were bailed out. Hamas a militia at best would have taken all of Zion had america and west not supported Zion with weapons and logistics etc.

 

[Lulldapull]

Ye, you're talking about the Fereshteh neighborhood.

It's an expensive neighborhood for a country like Iran where salaries are extremely low when converted into USD.
20K deposit and 3K rent per month are pretty normal there. Usually even higher for famous buildings.

Man you buy apt there in high rise for half a mill and sit on it for 5 years and it doubles no? How many of your friends bought into that hood? I know a few who bought in different north Tehran hoods and were doing well until this war started.

Iran real estate will do great provided Iran wins this war on its terms.

Every man n his dog will invest in north Tehran when Iran conclusively wins this and all those billions invested in DXB/ Abu-Donkey/ Manama/ Istanbul come gushing into Tehran.

 

[Yasser76]

Biz class on BA from London to Cape Town is usually around £8k-9k, now at £12,400 ($15,000)......

US collegues now told to fly Premium Economy or Economy when crossing the Pond.

This is starting to hurt not just at the pumps...

 

[ShapurII]

Yep, China was also worried that Russia might ally with Trump during his first term as China before 2020 cannot handle both USA and Russia either.

However, China now could be careless if Russia willing to turn their head to the US as they are both getting weakened and a full rare earth sanction should be enough to put them on their knee.

Russia doesn't have that many options left. Even if they sign a deal with Trump, it will last only 3 years at best, assuming that the Congress and the Senate would not eventually intervene in Putin's love affair with Trump.

Russia's only remaining card to stay relevant on the international stage is their UNSC permanent seat. Without that, Russia is nothing but a regional power at this point.

Also, the tide has turned in the US and the chance of electing another Republican president after Trump is getting exponentially lower by every passing month.

 

[Ali_Baba]

UNSC to vote on Bahrain’s proposal, which would authorize naval action in Strait of Hormuz​

By Nic Robertson and Mohammed Tawfeeq


Bahrain pushes for UN resolution to protect Strait of Hormuz

A draft UN Security Council resolution proposed by Bahrain would authorize countries to use “all defensive means necessary” to secure transit passage through the Strait of Hormuz, if adopted.

Two diplomats said the vote was set for Saturday morning, rather than Friday as earlier planned, according to Reuters.

A Gulf official said Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had spoken with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that there was an expectation Russia would not block the resolution. The official added the crown prince was expected to speak with “relevant” officials in China, with the expectation Beijing would also not block it.

However, in remarks to the Security Council on Thursday, China’s UN envoy Fu Cong opposed authorizing force, reported Reuters. Such a move would be “legitimizing the unlawful and indiscriminate use of force, which would inevitably lead to further escalation of the situation and lead to serious consequences,” he added.

The draft resolution, which CNN has obtained a copy of, deplores Iran’s actions as violations of international law and warns of adverse impacts on international trade, energy security, supply chains and the global economy.

It stresses that ships and aircraft enjoy a right of transit passage through the Strait of Hormuz that “shall not be impeded.”

The draft resolution would authorize member states, acting individually or through voluntary multinational naval partnerships that notify the Security Council in advance, to use defensive measures in the strait and adjacent waters – including within the territorial waters of littoral states bordering the strait – to secure transit passage and deter attempts to close or obstruct navigation.

The authorization would last at least six months from adoption and would require quarterly reporting by participating states.

The draft calls on participating states to coordinate their actions and ensure operations comply with international humanitarian law and applicable international human rights law, while respecting third states’ navigation rights.

It also stresses the authorization would apply only to the Strait of Hormuz and would not establish customary international law.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/03/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-oil

China would do well to demonstrate some common sense for a change and veto this proposal. This proposal will has enough legal legs in it to allow for "legalised" attacks on Iran under the guise of "defence"(Which it self is an arbitrary term) by anyone out there.

The UK will enter the war under this resolution as it will have "LEGAL" grounds to do so. I am quite certain of that fact. The pressure will build once this resolution is in place, I have seen this so many times before.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

UNSC to vote on Bahrain’s proposal, which would authorize naval action in Strait of Hormuz​

By Nic Robertson and Mohammed Tawfeeq


Bahrain pushes for UN resolution to protect Strait of Hormuz

A draft UN Security Council resolution proposed by Bahrain would authorize countries to use “all defensive means necessary” to secure transit passage through the Strait of Hormuz, if adopted.

Two diplomats said the vote was set for Saturday morning, rather than Friday as earlier planned, according to Reuters.

A Gulf official said Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had spoken with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that there was an expectation Russia would not block the resolution. The official added the crown prince was expected to speak with “relevant” officials in China, with the expectation Beijing would also not block it.

However, in remarks to the Security Council on Thursday, China’s UN envoy Fu Cong opposed authorizing force, reported Reuters. Such a move would be “legitimizing the unlawful and indiscriminate use of force, which would inevitably lead to further escalation of the situation and lead to serious consequences,” he added.

The draft resolution, which CNN has obtained a copy of, deplores Iran’s actions as violations of international law and warns of adverse impacts on international trade, energy security, supply chains and the global economy.

It stresses that ships and aircraft enjoy a right of transit passage through the Strait of Hormuz that “shall not be impeded.”

The draft resolution would authorize member states, acting individually or through voluntary multinational naval partnerships that notify the Security Council in advance, to use defensive measures in the strait and adjacent waters – including within the territorial waters of littoral states bordering the strait – to secure transit passage and deter attempts to close or obstruct navigation.

The authorization would last at least six months from adoption and would require quarterly reporting by participating states.

The draft calls on participating states to coordinate their actions and ensure operations comply with international humanitarian law and applicable international human rights law, while respecting third states’ navigation rights.

It also stresses the authorization would apply only to the Strait of Hormuz and would not establish customary international law.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/03/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-oil

So, instead of dealing with the action they want to deal with the reaction.

Working UN retroactively to process fallout. Useless and waste of time when the global order under its conventions has been tossed out as piece of trash.

 

[Ibbi32]

Has f-15 loss been confirmed?

 

[Yasser76]

Gotta love the French, always on the sniff.....

 

[Aryan_B]

The US losses aren't even .1% of what they have lol, Iran has lost a lot but yeah no major goals have been accomplished aside from destroying Iran economically for a few more years but that means nothing to a country that's already running on fumes.

US has lost a lot for example Iran proved Aircarft carriers are obsolete in 21st warfare and just a big target. Americas 10-20 carriers are now obsolete. how much is that worth?