Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Jets so far.. doesn’t include transport/cargo/tankers planes/ Ew in saudi or blackhawk…

Fa 18 was very close to be fair they were showing that on abc tonight for some odd reason blurred the fa 18 🤦 but dozens of aircraft of have been destroyed or heavily or “lightly” damaged I will take a support plane taken out of commission versus a fighter jet or bomber(b 53 wouldn’t mind seeing one destroyed on the ground)
 
It points to quite a few things.
1. It means that the IRGC is not able to move forces quickly. This could be due to command and control issues
2. Lack of MANPADs. This needs to be addressed ASAP
3. The US might also take notice of this and makes me wonder how the IRGC plans to stop them if they quickly move 2-3k troops inside Iran.
4. There is indeed limited air superiority. Yes a few aircraft did get shot. But slow moving UH-60s and A-10s survived and went back. The fact that the pilot was rescued looks bad on the IRGC
For 1), I'd say that's probably more or less as expected, as they already said (and this generally seems to be observable too) that the entire defensive apparatus is heavily decentralized. So it's whoever is in charge (could be multiple districts, idk how the IRGC is differentiated at that level) makes their own operations as they see fit.
2) it's difficult to say if they just lack MANPADs or it's just a symptom of 1. Unless you're saying they should be handing out MANPADs to just random civilians/tribal militias/police forces, which could be a solution.

I don't think the IRGC really plans to stop any entry for 3, and kinda leads into 4. Might as well spell out what I think is the general modus operandi now, but I think they'd be focused more on identifying and suppressing any potential large scale landing in the event that occurs. If a big op occurs (imo when, but w/e) then they get to bring out other local assets, like mortars, MLRS, FPV drones, etc. You can get onto Iranian land but staying is a different beast. They'll make a sustained operation as painful as possible, I think, but they're not overly committed at all to preventing a landing or incursion.

But the scale of that kind of operation would be orders of magnitude larger than some CSAR operations, which means that the chances that you run into where a dedicated MANPADs or other SHORAD team also happens to be operating go up drastically.

Either way, 2 A-10s seem to have been destroyed over the course of this operation so far (neither made it back as far as I'm aware, one crashed in the Gulf and the other was hit and crashed in Iraq, I think). Helicopters generally would probably be flying very low when actually searching, so that makes the chances of an interception go even lower in hilly/mountainous terrain.
 
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Pretty sure the WSO pilot is dead. Just protocol preventing the disclosure.

It’s been 13+ hours. It’s 11 PM local time.

If news doesn’t come out by 3 AM local time, it’s highly likely they are dead. While capture is possible, I feel like Iran would have announced it by now.
If he has been taken into custody than highly doubt they would announce it right away they would want to put him in a very secure place send a video of him eating and showing their kindness to prisoners of war
 
@Kyussis If this is one of our cluster munitions, I think 10kg-30kg is a pretty accurate estimate for its weight.

We should stop firing cluster warheads though. They seem ineffective for causing widespread damage and the Israelis are no longer intercepting them. It's a foolish tactic at this point.
They dont work. Unless you are targeting an airport or a refinery
 
Not confirmed but interesting
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I have a theory… remember a few F-16s were tested pilotless about a decade ago …. Just thinking it could be one of those??
 
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Just a scratch, some duct tape and it’s good as new

Again, destruction of these equipment is actually good news . It will stimulate USA economy and USA will print more dollars

The only thing that will work will be something thats irreplaceable by printing money
 
If he has been taken into custody than highly doubt they would announce it right away they would want to put him in a very secure place send a video of him eating and showing their kindness to prisoners of war

It’s been ~18 hours. Pilot has a secure communication device and a satellite tracker as a fail safe.

So the fact the U.S. hasn’t rescued him in the middle of no where while they quickly rescued the other points to that pilot either ejecting and wounded/unconscious or died in the initial crash.
 
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Babak confirms 2 A-10s crashed and were lost today

one crashed in Kuwait, other crashed in Persian Gulf

They thought it Afghanistan that they could fly freely lol
 
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Trump needs funding for the war. If sufficiently many Republicans side with Democrats, he won't get the funding he needs to continue war.
 
This is just my opinion. Iran decided to absorb the hits for the first 6 weeks with the assumption that the US would start a land invasion. Once the close air combat war begins, then Iran would unleash the AD systems in hiding ( to ab namak) and start to ambush American aircraft.
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