Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[r3alist]

This is going to the brink, but that is what very high level negotiations are like, both US and Iran know this is not worth the price now.

My guess is a very last minute deal.

The alternative is too horrific to imagine, and the thought of Saudi and PAF jets bombing Iran along with US and Israel truly sickens me to the pit of my stomach

Well said, every and any effort for diplomacy should be pursued, anything at all. Most the naysayers have no skin in the game, have chosen a side or just too coward to raise their hand up.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't think so, if you get 45 days you can use it for your own benefit as well, as @Persian Gulf said you can use that time to reopen underground missile bases, disperse your launchers and even develop more drones. 45 days can make difference in Iran's case, and who say that the 45 days ceasefire will not hold? you are assuming and i understand your skepticism due to backstab by Israel. But remember this time the war has not impacted just Israel and Iran, its raging in whole Region. Plus that 45 days cease-fire is not just about Iran opening SOH without proper guarantees. Like i said, Israel has achieved its goals already, they have destroyed Iran's capability enough that Iran poses no threat to them for at least 10-20 years, you need that time completely peaceful and sanction free to rebuild everything.
Rest if your country can think they are ok with infrastructure being bombed then nothing anyone else can do, in return most you can do is hit GCC and some Israeli targets but that's it.

No, 45 days can make 0 differences in Iran's case. I have already explained everything on that and I am not going to repeat myself. I will just refer you to those posts to see why it's not a good idea.

 

[Shags101]

Funny how you mentioned South Florida, when i was planning a trip to Destin FL, I was told by 3-4 people who have lived in pass Spring Hill - Brooksville that try not to stop between Spring hill and Panama city, give the a wrong turn could turn deadly.

I would say a big exaggeration but nothing in those cities or towns just boring as hell to be fair

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The Saudi's have put Pakistan in a position before when they asked Pakistan to take part in its war against Yemen, and the "defence" treaty puts in place that possibility against Iran aswell. MBS is a problem for both Saudi, and now Pakistan. Saudi needs an adult in the room urgently.

Again defense is not offense. Saudis cannot balance attacks from their soil against a third state and ask yet another to either help defend or go on offensive on its behalf.

That is just counterintuitive and simply wrong. Anyone pushing this agenda or assuming that this in any way mandates Pakistan is not helping Pakistan's cause.

In fact, once Saudis disavow and remove US offensive from its jurisdiction... any subsequent attacks against it can be called upon by Saudis to help defend the homeland. But not until...

 

[Aziqbal]

come on Pakistan do your best

Iranians are our brothers and our neighbours get China into this

US will destroy Iran, maybe Pakistan can promise a nuke to Iran after the war ends just below the table and let China now

then Iran can do a nuclear test a few days later then no ones touching Iran

not even Israel

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

or 5 am pst and 3:30 am tehran time

5PM Pacific.

I posted this over in the other thread last night.

 

[tsunset]

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[Irfan Baloch]

Pakistani nukes are for self preservation and specific to Indian threat.
we dont owe any other country our nuclear capability. nukes are for our survival.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Go and bloody read the last few pages, you f@ujeet retards think like this. Your overlord FM Muneer signed it without having any authority and mandate, now the fanboys are out and about defending.

Why dont you bloody tell me, if there is full blown war between Iran and Saudi, which side you think your beloved FM (not Pakistan) will be, considering the whole narrative of this war and how this all started.

man makes up hypotheticals and gets angry at the end result his feeble mind makes up

 

[Bengal71]

Iraq, Syria, Venezuela weren't failed states before they started to rely on commies for support.

Neither were they ever great powers, your are pursuing this line of argument in vain. We are talking about Iran finding a great power ally that could help in meaningful ways in the time of need.

 

[lightning f57]

Keep telling yourself that.

Whats Pak going to do apart from park some air defence batteries in SA, you think they going to deploy divisions for a ground invasion of Iran? is so thats fantasy.

At this point even airstrikes cant do anything worse than what satan and his child Israel are doing.

 

[Aryan_B]

WTF is Iran waiting for? Are they in shock again? lol

They read Trump well hes just a bully i have a feeling he will back down!!!

 

[Taimoor]

man makes up hypotheticals and gets angry at the end result his feeble mind makes up

Some punny little crackpot gen Z meme type material, suggest lock your horn at your own levels.

 

[Starlord]

We owe Iran nothing for the word "betrayal" to even be brought in to the discussion. If anything, Iran's alliance with India and deals on Chahbahar port right at our border where Indian spy Khulbushan Yadev was found, or the proxies using poor Shias from Afghanistan and Pakistan was the original betrayal.

It's laughable here how Iranian members believe they are owed unconditional loyalty and that other countries cannot pursue their own alliances based on their interests and must bow to their regime which is massively unpopular even amongst Iranians themselves!

No one owe anyone anything, Pakistan will not get much in the end... even if we broker a peace and it holds, we still have a Hoard of Afghan Taliban to take care off, we have India breathing on our necks, and I can bet 100$ that even if Pakistan somehow broker a deal and next 6-10 months a war broke out between India and Pakistan, none of the countries including Iran or KSA will completely side with Pakistan, or will be brandishing their swords to India to back off.
Pakistan is doing because they don't want a broken Iran, and a conflict that is fought along the sectarian lines, KSA/Iran should not be on each others throats, but we can not control the actions of Iran nor MBS, if any leader like MBS can be a **** behind Pakistan's back its not our fault, we have a PACT with KSA and we are trying our best to keep both sides happy. What Iranians are not understanding that Pakistan is risking its relationship with entire GCC, by not getting involved and now Iranians thinks that just because we are trying to negotiate a peace deal somehow its betrayal of Pakistan, we did not set the points we get from Party 1 and take them to Party 2.
You can't reason with people when emotions are high, and both KSA and Iran wants total Jee Huzoori from Pakistan which won't happen, I am so tempted to say we should say FCUK both of you and say yeah go fight and kill each other, blast Tehran and Riyaad for all we care.

 

[r3alist]

Honestly, if Iran loses this war, my only consolation will be that we will turn anti-Russia and anti-China and will act 100% against their interests in every situation by being the best US lapdog ever.

You can see how China and Russia have been dead silent about Trump's genocidal threats in the last 3 days.

To give some hope of sanity victor gao, outright said days ago Israel will not be allowed to drop nukes or face similar back.

That's different from nuclear type destruction delivered conventionally, in my estimation