Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Zartosht]

Iran’s worthless civilian government is miscalculating the situation deeply

They are absolutely obsessed with endless negotiations. For them another 10 years of exactly this status quo is perfectly acceptable. Even if Iranian people will start eating grass, they will haggle over .5% enrichment.

Iran had a historic opportunity with the entire nation behind the government, and complete leverage in hand to decisively change the equation

They think they can just go back to their favorit status quo of endless sanctions, endless negotiations, endless uncertainty, and endless waiting for the economic situation to

Essentially another 40 years of khamenei and sanctions.

People have had enough of this shit. This government will get toppled very rapidly if this is the path they are choosing

 

[Zoyou]

 

[Goenitz]

China's delegation should also visit. Make it look like a normal pre-war situation by such measures.

 

[HAIDER]

It's a war of nostalgic delusions nurtured by hubris .... nothing to do with islam

We can see such a massive scenario from different angle. its every one choice.
Natanyahu in 2012.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

Might be Pakistani fighter jets could also be Iranian ones from underground base

 

[Immortals]

 

[mythbuster]

Iran’s worthless civilian government is miscalculating the situation deeply

They are absolutely obsessed with endless negotiations. For them another 10 years of exactly this status quo is perfectly acceptable. Even if Iranian people will start eating grass, they will haggle over .5% enrichment.

Iran had a historic opportunity with the entire nation behind the government, and complete leverage in hand to decisively change the equation

They think they can just go back to their favorit status quo of endless sanctions, endless negotiations, endless uncertainty, and endless waiting for the economic situation to

Essentially another 40 years of khamenei and sanctions.

People have had enough of this shit. This government will get toppled very rapidly if this is the path they are choosing

Problem is Iranian's as a whole take pride in their negotiating skills , undoubtedly , they are pretty skillful...otoh , American's are straight shooters , they hate cerebral gimmicks .

 

[Watandar]

Iran’s worthless civilian government is miscalculating the situation deeply

They are absolutely obsessed with endless negotiations. For them another 10 years of exactly this status quo is perfectly acceptable. Even if Iranian people will start eating grass, they will haggle over .5% enrichment.

Iran had a historic opportunity with the entire nation behind the government, and complete leverage in hand to decisively change the equation

They think they can just go back to their favorit status quo of endless sanctions, endless negotiations, endless uncertainty, and endless waiting for the economic situation to

Essentially another 40 years of khamenei and sanctions.

People have had enough of this shit. This government will get toppled very rapidly if this is the path they are choosing

I don't understand this. Iranian govt was using its maximum leverage, by blocking the Hormuz, attacking GCC energy and US bases, activating the AoR and also firing missiles at Israel. It was time to utilize that leverage to get a deal.

What should Iranians have alternatively done ?

 

[Aziqbal]

Lol, Extremely simplistic & innocent thought which is extremely far from reality.

Nobody is leader in muslim world. A leader is one who everyone follows and everyone accept it as a leader.

Like every country, Iran look after only its own interests. It funds Houthis and Hezbullah only for its own geopolitical gains. Iran helped ruined & completely destroy Syria by giving a new lifeline to a dictator Bashar al Asad who was very close to be thrown out in arab spring. Syria would have survived that long suffering. Syrians will never forget what Iran did with them for its own geopolitical gains. Iran would use any muslim country as a tissue paper for its purpose. Its nothing against Iran but that's how the world is. KSA & Turkey have their own geopolitical objectives. Iran simply can never imagine to be their "leader' as these countries have opposite objectives, a sea of differences, none of these or any other country would ever follow such a controversial "leader".

Iran fought a great war, but don't mistake it as anything done for "muslim world" or even Gaza. Iran didn't fired a single missile when day in and day out IDF was dropping 2000 lbs bombs over residential complexes, hospitals, refugee camps and turning entire gaza into rubble. When Israel had completely turned Gaza into piece of rubble it turned its attention towards Iran and planned to eliminate a future threat (Iran's nuclear program). Only when Iran itself was attacked only then Iran retaliated. Iran won't care if any other muslim country is attacked. If Turkey, Azerbaijan, KSA, Pakistan, Egpyt, Libya, Sudan, Indonesia, any muslim country is attacked Iran would literally say who gives a f-k. So please remember they only fought for their own country. They didn't fought for "muslims" or Gazans or anyone else.

Iran was attacked exactly for its support for the Palestinians

If they didn’t support they wouldn’t have been attacked

And after being attacked they survived

That makes them different and the only exception to the rule

 

[MH.Yang]

I wouldn't hold out too much hopium for that to happen

One reason among many is as long as those countries feel China is a direct threat to their national security, they would never consider such a thing.

But that's going a bit off topic so I'll stop at that.

May the force be with you

South Korea is gradually integrating into China's industrial chain. What can Japan offer us? We don't lack Japan's population and industrial capacity, we need resource-based countries more, such as Russia. China doesn't need to unite with Japan to deal with the United States. But Middle Eastern countries need to unite against Israel. The situations faced by East Asia and the Middle East are not consistent.

 

[Zartosht]

I don't understand this. Iranian govt was using its maximum leverage, by blocking the Hormuz, attacking GCC energy and US bases, activating the AoR and also firing missiles at Israel. It was time to utilize that leverage to get a deal.

What should Iranians have alternatively done ?

Continue the war until oil prices reached at least 150$

What were the americans going to do when they ran out of intercepters and stand off munitions, while facing economic ruin and worse of all military humiliation.

All Iran had to do was wait. Every single day the american position was deteriorating militarily, politically and economically.

What was the need for this mad rush for a cease fire? What did Iran gain?

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Iran was attacked exactly for its support for the Palestinians

If they didn’t support they wouldn’t have been attacked

And after being attacked they survived

That makes them different and the only exception to the rule

haha! What support? In which world you guys live?

Qatar fund Hamas more than anybody.

So you think Saddam Hussain was also helping Palestinians that Israel attacked Iraq in 1980s destroying its nuclear program?

Do you think the land which Egypt retook in 73 from Israel's war was also because Egypt was supporting Palestinians ?

Israel attacks other countries only on a rule if they can be present and future threat. Palestinian support is never a criteria Otherwise Israel must attack South Africa, & Spain and Qatar too. Those countries at diplomatic level and financial level are much ahead of Iran's support. As I already explained that Iran never attacked Israel when Israel for full 2 years converted Gaza into a rubble and did a genocide in front of Iran. Iran didn't do a thing.

Please have a factual discussion. The War Iran fought is solely because Israel consider Iran as a future threat because of Iran's nuclear program (most of which destroyed now) and its advancing ballistic missile capabilities and Iran is a sovereign country not under US control. It has nothing to do with Palestinians support. I am amazed I need to explain basics.

 

[Kyussis]

F-14s. They were not customers for the F-16.

Imperial Iranian Air Force had an order for 300 F-16A/Bs before the Islamic Revolution.

 

[KAL-EL]

South Korea is gradually integrating into China's industrial chain. What can Japan offer us? We don't lack Japan's population and industrial capacity, we need resource-based countries more, such as Russia. China doesn't need to unite with Japan to deal with the United States. But Middle Eastern countries need to unite against Israel. The situations faced by East Asia and the Middle East are not consistent.

Again, stop being a threat to Japan's national security and maybe within a lifetime Japan won't need the United States bases.