Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[sutton9999]

Exactly . No high profile target got eliminated by iran while israel kill almost all of iranian leadership .
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Bombing civilians wont enforce them to stop war .

Not that simple, it is all about justification.

Iran could build dirty bombs, ruining Israel and even USA.

That's why they want to remove the enrichments.

 

[RocketLaw]

means europe is fucked....soon more of their leaders will start screaming and crying as europe economy grinds to a halt......

Yes absolutely!

Europe is collapsed, even if they want to buy oil from Russia in emergency, they must use Chinese Yuan currency to buy oil.

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Not that simple, it is all about justification.

Iran could build dirty bombs, ruining Israel and even USA.

That's why they want to remove the enrichments.

First of all there is no way iran vould reach American land .
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Second a dirt bomb would invite a tactical nuke . Go ahead with it .
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Deal is the only sensible option .

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Nobody claims that. My only problem is you claiming their military has collapsed. Do you think they can even remotely think of turning Iran into Gaza from just bombing?

Nobody claims that. But do you really think they don't have options or backups? They have prepared this for decades, you don't think they won't plan how to acquire supplies?


You claim their airforce was gone. I counter claimed that it is still present. Iran has based their tactics to use them sparingly which if you actually bothered to read up, you would understand why. Whether they are right or wrong, is another discussion altogether.


Iran won't be destroyed whether you agree or not. The only opportunity was the first 2 weeks. The people stand by their government, and that's what matters for their success in the end. They have leverage and time on their side. Trump and Nethanyahu unfortunately do not.

Just to summarize fro you .
Their Air force = nowhere to be seen. ( Thats what they plan in 45 years)
Navy = turns into brown water navy . Cant move further in Arabian Sea .
Army : only time will tell their position .
Air defence : score a dozen Ariel targets, most of them are drone.
Missiles : the only force that are hitting back . Highly dependent on logistics and supplies from other countries to maintain the stockpile.
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This war will finish either with a deal or destruction of iran .
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And no iran dont have time . If the closure of hormuz stays and Ariel bombing starts on civilian targets then the famine and economic collapse will arrive and you will see the ugly face of war .
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Even the war america lost (Veitnam war) cost Veitnam approx 4 million deaths.
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[Flotilla]

means europe is fucked....soon more of their leaders will start screaming and crying as europe economy grinds to a halt......

For sure. Inflation It is the best weapon.
Irán just need to hold fast the Straits.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

you think they can even remotely think of turning Iran into Gaza from just bombing?

100%. Factories, universities, hospitals, every infrastructure can be destroyed. Plus 100s of thousands of iranian civilian citizens lives.

If Escalation happens then Iran will lose exponentially. US mainland is safe, not a single US citizen is killed. Not a single US city is bombed. Not a single hospital or production capability is damaged. US is exporting record number of oil and its trade is going on as usual. While Iran's exports are at stand still due to US blockade.

When analysts used to say that Iran will win this war, they were right and they meant that Iran will win by denying US its objectives of war which were doing a regime change and destroying Iran's missile/drone capability. They never meant that Iran will damage US equally or more or win a war at tactical / technological level.

 

[RocketLaw]

I think it will be likely more focus on OIl Tankers next few weeks

Several tankers will be caught in the areas below:

INDIAN OCEAN
SRI LANKA lines
Malacca Strait

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[sutton9999]

First of all there is no way iran vould reach American land .
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Second a dirt bomb would invite a tactical nuke . Go ahead with it .
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Deal is the only sensible option .

You underestimate human endeavor.

Vietnam let it pass because they won, they have a future.

If USA gaza Iran, Iran has no future, Iranian will make sure USA has no future.

It is that simple.

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

If USA gaza Iran, Iran has no future, Iranian will make sure USA has no future.

It is that simple.

How ? Exactly how ?
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Being anti American is fine but being an ostrich .............

iranian navy cant challenge us navy in open seas .
They cant reach American mainland .
The best they could do is bomb their military bases in gulf .

The

 

[ShapurII]

Completely agree.
But you're mixing Iranian society with american one. And the values and idiosincrasy are completely different.

Iranian society swim in inflation. US did a Revolution 200 years ago because of the price of the tea.

Just let them rise the price of everything 8% and then ask their children to die for Israel.

The US revolution was for independence from Britain, not over tea prices.

Iran has had two successful revolutions almost the size of the French revolution in one century and has had 4 major protests in the last 10 years alone. I suppose I understand the Iranian society better than someone from Spain.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Haz]

We need alternative platforms that are not owned or controlled by the biased West. Chinese, Russian or other platforms that cannot be controlled by the paranoid Zionists.

You mean like tik tok?

Oh wait, they managed to take over that too..

 

[PakistanLVR]

How ? Exactly how ?
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Being anti American is fine but being an ostrich .............

iranian navy cant challenge us navy in open seas .
They cant reach American mainland .
The best they could do is bomb their military bases in gulf .

The

@ Mods - hope this doesn't get banned.

You keep bringing up take the deal - but what are the specifics of it? Trump wants total capitulation which would end current Islamic practices as we know it. They want control for the soul of the religion. Since you mockingly mentioned the Zanibyon therefore implying taking a shot at Shias, let me return the favor - Sunnis ( assume you are one given the inherent biases in your words towards Shias), are a spend force both morally, politically, and religiously. Some Shias are too, but the heart of Shia still beats therefore they are still fighting. For the record, I do not consider Pakistan a "Sunni" state but a Muslim one.
You asking Iranians to sign the deal is akin to asking Imam Hussein (a.s.) to bend the knee at Karbala.
You want the Iranians to sign a deal with Baal worshipers who have broken the all diplomatic norms of m*rdering peacemaker and negotiators while feinting talks only to stab the Iranians twice in the back.
We seen what they did to the ceasefires in Lebanon and Gaza.
I don't advocate war and destruction but in my calculus taking a stand will provide a better ROI given the world's economy at stake.
Why would Iran use dirty bombs? They have a far bigger, powerful weapon in choking off the SoH and letting the world slide in another great depression.
Finally, you bring up death in Iran and lack of a strong conventional deterrent - did Vietnam have any of that when they fought for 8 years against the US? Did the Iraqis have any of that while taking on the US that had full spectrum dominance over land, air, and sea from 2003 to 2011?
Iran might, and will face a lot of death and destruction, but its a civilizational state that will quickly put itself together once this is over, and even if it falls apart, the core part will be a huge portion with a sizable population size that will reincorporate the lost parts easily.

 

[ShapurII]

Well technically, Yemen under Saleh, (who the houthis took power after he died) had Scud missiles, so the houthis inherited some ballistic missiles when the took over the Yemeni govt,and yes, iran helped the houthis at a strategic level(more on this below)

Technically, because you own an iPhone 3G doesn't mean you can build an iPhone 3G, let alone build an iPhone 12.

It took Iran at least 10 years to go from Scud-B missiles to something like Shahab-3 and then another 5-10 years to move on to solid-fuel missiles like Sejjil. There is zero doubt that Yemen's missile technology is completely based on Iranian technology, in fact it is a rebranding for the most part. If tomorrow, Iran stops sending prefabricated parts to Yemen, the Houthis will not be able to produce more missiles.

Iran made a strategic-level and good investment in the houthis,and those investments have paid off for iran, if you accept ehat role the houthis play in the AoR- the houthis are a only close partner of the Axis of Resistance(AoR), not a direct or full member of it, and that's why it didnt have to enter serious military action along with other AoR members during the 40 days of clashes between Iran, israel and US. Neither US nor israeli jets are flying over the houthis' territory today, but they were (and are) doing so against majority/all AoR locations in Iran, Iraq and Lebanon.


Houthis have the right to independently assess the regional war and decide for itself which of its interests and strategic considerations are worth entering the war for. But houthis have motivations and loyalty to not let Iran fall.

There is no such thing as "Axis of Resistance". The only country in the so-called axis of resistance that was not a proxy group was Syria, the rest are militia groups funded by Iran. Hezbollah, Hashd al-Shaabi, Houthis of Yemen, they're all products of Iranian influence in the region.

Houthis of Yemen are not even the official government of Yemen. They are not recognized by the UN. They're there because Iran has helped them stay in power for the sole strategic purpose of controlling the traffic through the Red Sea and the Bab El-Mandeb. That's their whole purpose of existence for Iran. If they do not serve that purpose, they're a useless liability and should be abandoned.

 

[Professor Jiang]

How ? Exactly how ?
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Being anti American is fine but being an ostrich .............

iranian navy cant challenge us navy in open seas .
They cant reach American mainland .
The best they could do is bomb their military bases in gulf .

The

Do you understand how prolonged closure of the Strait affects the global economy, and that the US is not immune from this impact? Who will buy American products across the world when ordinary citizens are struggling to afford butter or eggs or tomatoes? Better yet, how will Trump's decision-making be affected once his base begin losing jobs or they can't afford to take out mortgages?

Iran never tried to take on the Americans toe-to-toe using conventional military capability because that's impossible. It's fighting an asymmetric war where the economic aspect is primary.