Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

The conflict is still ongoing, yet I completely believe that if IRI manages to survive this war in a meaningfull way, the Iranian foreign policy regarding Pakistan, Turkey and the entire region will undergo a substantial transformation.

I am convinced that the decision-makers in Tehran have realized that having just ONE reliable state actor in the region as an ally could have altered EVERYTHING about this war.

I mean Saudi Arabia turning towards Turkey and Pakistan right now is not just a coincidence.

The first crisis to prove this theory was the conflict between India and Pakistan in 2025.

It has perfectly demonstrated the importance of having reliable support from state actors like China and Turkey. Although the Indians would never openly acknowledge it, they were aware that China and Turkey would fully back Pakistan in the event of a war. The Iranian War on the other hand serves as a cautionary tale of a nation lacking this type of state support. Having one middle-sized country as a strong ally is more valuable than all the proxies in the ME put together.

It's understandable that the Saudis, Sudanese, Somalis, and Egyptians are running to Ankara and Islamabad. Can't wait for this useless war to end and to hopefully open a new page in our relationship with Iran.

Tonight I am an optimist.
 
Eşbah said:
The conflict is still ongoing, yet I completely believe that if IRI manages to survive this war in a meaningfull way, the Iranian foreign policy regarding Pakistan, Turkey and the entire region will undergo a substantial transformation.

I am convinced that the decision-makers in Tehran have realized that having just ONE reliable state actor in the region as an ally could have altered EVERYTHING about this war.

I mean Saudi Arabia turning towards Turkey and Pakistan right now is not just a coincidence.

The first crisis to prove this theory was the conflict between India and Pakistan in 2025.

It has perfectly demonstrated the importance of having reliable support from state actors like China and Turkey. Although the Indians would never openly acknowledge it, they were aware that China and Turkey would fully back Pakistan in the event of a war. The Iranian War on the other hand serves as a cautionary tale of a nation lacking this type of state support. Having one middle-sized country as a strong ally is more valuable than all the proxies in the ME put together.

It's understandable that the Saudis, Sudanese, Somalis, and Egyptians are running to Ankara and Islamabad. Can't wait for this useless war to end and to hopefully open a new page in our relationship with Iran.

Tonight I am an optimist.
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Indians have become so irrelevant i can’t even see them on geopolitical landscape…. They’re just going to be rented bodies for pussraeli ground operations in which they’ll be sent frontline to test enemy guns
 
ShapurII said:
When did he say that China supported his war? I'm not sure if we're on the same page.

He said that China helped him convince Iran to accept the ceasefire. How does that imply that China supported his war?
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Not a Trump fan by any means, but it's not like his government isn't above bu*******ing people too.
 
krash said:
Can't make you drink it too.



Surely, you don't expect others to point out the paradox in that consideration.
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Dude, this is basic 101 kindergarten level economy
Like seriously

I usually debate people when there is point, there is no point debating flat earthers
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Even if inflation goes up, the energy supplies are all native goes back into the system

It also may reopen usa LNG Exports in long term usa has super excess natural gas..it has thousands of unused plugged gas fields (gas usually plugged for oil)

Only loser to this war is asia, iran, middle east and Europe
Winners are usa, china, Russia and obviously Israel
 
MH.Yang said:
I can also tell you.

All Middle Eastern oil exporting countries, except Saudi Arabia, will have their oil economy killed by the green ammonia economy. And this war will greatly accelerate the progress of death.


The power industry based on green ammonia, including EV, AI, drones, high-speed rail, robots, photovoltaics, soilless cultivation, low altitude economy and other power industries, will inevitably be the economic core of future human civilization. Destroying the global oil industry through war will only help accelerate the development of the power industry.
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Too little too late
Economy in gutter and no fuel and food supply shortages won’t be helped by EV……who gonna pay for it?

Sorry i don’t see this coming or surviving, poor countries can’t supprt this. If u can’t keep lights on, how u charge these?

Does not make sense unless its for the few rich globalist elites
 
PK781 said:
Too little too late
Economy in gutter and no fuel and food supply shortages won’t be helped by EV……who gonna pay for it?

Sorry i don’t see this coming or surviving, poor countries can’t supprt this. If u can’t keep lights on, how u charge these?

Does not make sense unless its for the few rich globalist elites
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Green ammonia is electricity that can be transported by ship.

In March of this year, due to the oil crisis, South Korea imported 13000 tons of green ammonia from China by sea, equivalent to 1.84 billion KWH of electricity. Japan has also signed an annual supply agreement with China for 500000 tons of green ammonia.

Saudi Arabia has already taken the lead among all oil producing countries in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia has not only invested heavily in the green ammonia industry, but also has vast deserts and excellent infrastructure. Saudi Arabia's deserts will be more profitable than oil fields in the future.

Every step the oil industry takes back, the power industry takes a permanent step forward. Because people who replace gasoline cars with EVs will never use gasoline cars again and will start using high-speed trains, AI， Robot companies will never return to their original positions. This war is accelerating the replacement of the oil industry by the power industry.
 
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ShapurII said:
Spare me your nonsense please. I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post.
Trump said China helped him convince Iran to accept the ceasefire. That's more than enough in my opinion.

www.abc.net.au

China's 26 phone calls that brought on a US-Iran ceasefire

China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi says he held 26 phone calls with his counterparts in Iran, Israel, Russia and Gulf countries before the ceasefire was reached.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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China does not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries. When Trump established the Peace Committee, China and Russia asked for Palestine's opinion and then chose to abstain. When the U.S. tried to legitimize and expand the aggression against Iran, China and Russia voted against it.

On April 15, 2026, Wang Yi, member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee and Foreign Minister, spoke by phone with Iranian Foreign Minister Araqchi.

Araqchi reported the latest situation of the Iran-U.S. negotiations and Iran's next considerations, expressing Iran's willingness to continue seeking rational and realistic solutions through peaceful negotiations. Iran highly appreciates China's continued efforts to help ease tensions and looks forward to China playing an active role in promoting peace and preventing war.

This news comes from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Iran has repeatedly expressed gratitude for China's support and material donations in public occasions. You are unwilling to believe the information from a friendly country's government and choose to believe U.S. media propaganda.

Trump can tell a hundred lies in a day, yet you choose to believe this liar.

The news you see about China comes from hostile countries' media; you don't even use reports from Iranian media.

What benefit does making remarks that damage the relationship between Iran and friendly countries bring to Iran? When the U.S. and Israel invade Iran again, when the U.S. and Israel massacre the Iranian people again, will it leave Iran in a situation where no one can offer help?

Are you considering Iran's interests? You are serving U.S. propaganda, essentially betraying your country.

I forgot, you are in Italy; the bombs from the U.S. and Israel won't attack you, you are very safe, so you can freely express your opinions.
 
MH.Yang said:
There is no reason to explain why Iran decided to cease fire after you having lunch. Perhaps you are the king of the world, your lunch putting pressure on the Iranian government?


If China had the ability to control the diplomacy of the Iranian government, President Laissey would not have died, and Iranians would have been dancing hand in hand with Arabs a long time ago.

Also, I have already explained earlier that this war has both advantages and disadvantages for China, and even the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. China has no incentive to forcibly end this war.


It is Russia, not China, that truly has the ability to influence your diplomacy.

Moreover, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, which truly holds power, has no intention of a ceasefire. The reason why it asked the Iranian government to negotiate is simply because it does not want to take responsibility for disrupting the peace talks. The United States and Israel also have no intention of a ceasefire, and they do not want to take responsibility for disrupting peace talks and the world economy.

The Chinese government also knows that Iran and the United States are both performance, and the reason why they are accompanying you in performance is simply that China does not want to be accused by other countries of not being responsible for the world economy, and even being accused of being the mastermind behind this war.

This war will start over sooner or later. The only goal of the Chinese government is to prevent Iran from being controlled by the United States and Israel. As for how long you want to fight, it's your own problem.
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This person believes in the U.S. media and Trump; a person who pretends to be asleep cannot be awakened.

We will not ask Iran to stop the war, and the reason is very simple. The U.S. and Israel are liars, the U.S. and Israel have no credibility. We cannot provide any guarantees, and Russia cannot provide guarantees either.

If China asks Iran to stop the war, Iran will ask China to provide guarantees. The U.S. and Israel tear up agreements, and we have no way to respond; this would affect our international reputation. Participating in a U.S.-Iran war does not align with our interests.

The Russian Foreign Minister visited China and proposed increasing energy exports to China. From the perspective of energy security, we have no reason to ask Iran to stop the war. It's just that Russia's proposal does not fit our energy allocation plan.

When Iran bombed U.S. military bases and energy facilities in Middle Eastern countries, China called these countries and sent envoys to visit them. Is Iran not afraid of being attacked in joint efforts by the U.S., Israel, and Middle Eastern countries?

Middle Eastern countries submitted a draft resolution to the Security Council, aiming to try to legitimize U.S. and Israeli aggression and attempt to expand attacks on Iran. China and Russia used their veto power.

Trade cooperation between China and Iran can stabilize Iran's economy, and military cooperation between Russia and Iran can provide military assistance to Iran. Together, the two countries help Iran resist diplomatic pressure.

China and Russia have already done enough for Iran.
 
ShapurII said:
What does he gain by lying about that?

He, as the POTUS, says it's true, and there's some public evidence supporting that he's telling the truth in this particular case. Unless there's some evidence against it, I don't see any reason for thinking he's lying.
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Trump can gain a lot of benefits from lying.

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You should be in the United States, not Italy. If Trump knows there are Iran MAGA supporters for him, he would be very happy.
 
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this jew loving vatan foroosh can't handle a free press
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Eşbah said:
They fail to realize that it's possible to oppose the current system while also being against the US-Israeli bombings in Iran. This is not a contradiction. I swear, every single time I talk to them, I completely diasgree with these people. They immediately ask in return if I'm an Erdogan fanboy. lol

In Germany, they don't interact with the broader Middle Eastern diaspora; not even with those who are anti-IRI ideologically. They either socialize exclusively with Germans or stay within their own community.
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It is not difficult to understand following a Civil War. I have met many Chinese people who have similar opinions about PRC - many years back, when they migrated out of China after Cultural Revolution - losing loved ones and property, Vietnamese who fled after 1974, Cubans who fled after 1959 etc.,
 
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