Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

2ndstrike said:
And how long will Iran's Su35s going to get air borned and survive against VLO platforms like F22 and F35? The present of VLO jets like F22 and F35 in terms of quantity and quality will destroy any 4.5 generation air force out there in a heartbeat. Even if Iran had the export downgraded version of the F22, it would not last a few rounds against the domestic non export version F35 of the American airforce. Ukraine was fighting against a banana republic armed with 4.5 generation jets at best, it wasn't facing any VLO platforms like F22 and F35.
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If F-5s and Su-24s managed to bomb the US and return back safely, Su-35 can also do it

Its a matter of protecting the aircrafts on the ground
 
vizier said:
Good thing about F5 is that it has some capability to use unpaved runways. Notice the engines are at the sideways far above the ground so Fod blocker engine doors like Mig 29 are not necessary on inlets. An example below shows grass runway landing and take off. Some landing gear modification is necessary too to use these types of runways but main thing is the fod blocker or fod avoidance of jet inlets.

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Mig 29 uses a different option with fod blocker door on engine inlets. That is why Ukraine used them on improvised airfields for a very long time after their airbases are bombed by Russia at the beginning of the war.

Both fod blocker doors or upper inlet positions like sideways(F5) or top(stealth drones Valkyrie etc.) are necessary to use unpaved runways which is crucial when facing an enemy having higher stand off weapons advantage. Temporary improvised runways can be built and used continiously increasing the survivability of the aircraft.
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Any ability to take off or land using improvised grass runways is an excellent ability.
 
SaltFlats said:
The complete absence of nuance in these people is mildly amusing.

“For 47 years, Pakistan has aided the IRGC.” Does this baby-faced twink know that Pakistan’s relationship with the IRGC and the broader Islamic Republic has ebbed and flowed—from mild belligerence to a lukewarm, reluctant embrace? Even accounting for the current, nascent improvement in relations, there’s an argument to be made that they still have not reached the level of our ties under the Shah, who actually helped us in our 1965 and 1971 wars with India.

We have also occasionally had to bear the brunt of the export of Iran’s sectarian conflicts. If Pakistan were the foremost backer of Iran right now, we wouldn’t be this gucci(comfortable) with the United States and the GCC (barring the Emiratis, of course, who are a unique specimen unto themselves).

I also recall a conversation with a Pahlavist on this forum before this war began who was similarly obsessed with Pakistan. Not taking any names, as I’m not interested in getting into a “tu-tu main-main” contest, there are already too many of those going on here already.
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These moronic pahlavists don't realise that the old Shah's relationship with Pakistan was better than that of the Islamic regime overall.

The new pahlavi is a lame duck though.
 
If Iran bought Tu-22Ms and Tu-16 decades ago they would also have gotten through US air defenses

US AD in PGCC are terrible if they managed to get bombed by 50yrs old F-5s and let them return back to Iran
 
krash said:
Once we've graduated from kindergarten it will be easier to understand why the US imports around 7 million b/d.

America Produces Enough Oil to Meet Its Needs, So Why Do We Import Crude?​

How much petroleum does the United States import and export?​

What Percentage of U.S. Oil Is Imported in 2025?​

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Usa produces more oil then it needs but some states like California import soecial blends of fuel while import from canada due to proximity

REGARDLESS THE KEY POINT IS NET EXPORTS OR IMPORTS

increase in oil prices WILL OBVIOUSLY BENEFIT USA BECAUSE ITS A NET EXPORTER AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF OIL IN THE WORLD

YES USA IS THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF OIL IN THE WORLD

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Like dude its not even a competition 🤷🤷🤷
 
Persian Gulf said:
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FOUR MILLION BARRELS APPEAR TO HAVE EXFILTRATED US BLOCKADE LINE
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And 380M+ has been stolen and taken to US to pay Trump
 
Kyussis said:
People here who try to compare Iran's war against the U.S and Israel to Ukraine against Russia must not be aware that All of NATO has been backing Ukraine since day 1.
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Yup.
Also, the ukraine war has gone on this long mainly because the US fails to get Ukraine to negotiate genuinely and fairly with Russia to end the war, and instead manipulates the negotiations(like its doing with iran) to further its military and strategic goals.
Unfortunately this has led to needless loss of life.
 
hasssanali8998 said:
Pahlavi supporters are protesting in front of the Pakistan Embassy in London

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I hope the guy who taunts Indian protesters comes out and taunts them too, or better yet, Khawaja comes out.
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We should do a counter protest in London calling these traitors the scum they are

The Iranian diaspora are some real degenerates

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If Iran want war then why are they still using Pakistan to mediate. If they have such petty complains then negotiate with America directly without any mediators if you can.

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Maligning a mediator because Pakistan doesn't toe the IRGC line during the negotiations is really a petty thing to do. IRGC should makeup their mind. If they want, go to war. Stop maligning others who are trying to help you.
 
925boy said:
Your nuclear weapons did not deter nuclear india from launching operations sindoor last year.

Also, this is probably the first war where the US's airforce has underperformed in helping US achieve its military goals- US and israel bombed 🇮🇷 semi intensely for 40 days, and with no ground support to compliment the airstrikes, the US opted for a ceasefire, which it unilaterally extended,and then replaced resuming aerial bombing of 🇮🇷 with a blockade- NOT GOOD results from primary reliance on airforce to fight the war.
If and when US loses this war, many countries with large, heavily-invested airforce will have serious doubts about heir effecitveness, no wonder the Arabs(and toothless nato) didnt activate their 100s of fighter jets against iran- if US couldn't use it's airforce effectively, how could they?
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I give ‘Air Force’ another decade or so before it becomes junk yard scrap like ‘army’ and ‘navy’ already have!
 
hasssanali8998 said:
Pahlavi supporters are protesting in front of the Pakistan Embassy in London

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I hope the guy who taunts Indian protesters comes out and taunts them too, or better yet, Khawaja comes out.
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He said there was thousands of protesters. If he widened the camera lens - would have seen about 30 protesters. Hilarious
 
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