Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

FUB said:
The fact is that Iran has made no concessions. Bottom line, Israel wants Iran destroyed as a nation state and will not stop until every last goy is sent to the meat grinder. They will force the selected AIPAC and J Street officials and dual citizens to print and print until the ink runs dry and there is a total US collapse. The means to an end. Jeff Epstein is a real slick guy.
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Israel is acting like its a massive regional power... Iran has proved to be a regional power not israel.
 
Reports of a new attack on Ras al-Khaimah, UAE.

Reports of 2 US aircraft requesting emergency landing and another laundry fire out of nowhere cannot be coincidental. They've been targeted by Iran, most likely.

Oil prices are going down too. It's probably market manipulation before the next round.
 
Have those who were arguing that the ceasefire was wonderful still not changed their minds? Lebanon continues to be bombed, Iran is under a naval blockade, and in the meantime, the US and Israel have been heavily resupplied. And now a resolution calling for the use of force against Iran has been submitted to the UN. Iran has no choice but to surrender completely. This is what the ceasefire and negotiations have brought about.
 
ShapurII said:
Nobody would give you a fair deal when you are weak. There will be no sanctions relief.

The clock has started ticking on Iran. Sad but true.
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True

But Iran is a nation of 93 million, with a large resource rich state and a long and great history

Iran has fought this for 47 years, and up until the massive economic sanctions and economic war iran was doing reasonably well

Then the economic war started in 2012 and it's been a tough battle


Iran has cards to play because the economic pain for the world is REAL,
Their a political consequences and real consequences for the world and the U.S


Iran has resisted
It has fought back
Hit it's enemies
Wiped out U.S bases and radars throughout the region and is resolutely refusing to give up it's independence

Iran has changed the situation in the middle east

Iran simply cannot tolerate or allow any deal without a end to sanctions, hell you could give the U.S a deal which gives Trump some economic incentive just to get things going

But if iran get get its deal then this will be the rise of Iran as the hegemon of the middle east
 
Garcia Sea said:
Have those who were arguing that the ceasefire was wonderful still not changed their minds? Lebanon continues to be bombed, Iran is under a naval blockade, and in the meantime, the US and Israel have been heavily resupplied. And now a resolution calling for the use of force against Iran has been submitted to the UN. Iran has no choice but to surrender completely. This is what the ceasefire and negotiations have brought about.
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Please explain exactly what you mean by 'the US and Israel have been heavily resupplied'. Interceptors? Missiles? What exactly? You appear to have access to information the rest of us don't, because - based on your posts - Iran is on the verge of famine and is busy drafting surrender documents in order to be annexed at the earliest opportunity by the Americans.
 
hussain0216 said:
True

But Iran is a nation of 93 million, with a large resource rich state and a long and great history

Iran has fought this for 47 years, and up until the massive economic sanctions and economic war iran was doing reasonably well

Then the economic war started in 2012 and it's been a tough battle


Iran has cards to play because the economic pain for the world is REAL,
Their a political consequences and real consequences for the world and the U.S


Iran has resisted
It has fought back
Hit it's enemies
Wiped out U.S bases and radars throughout the region and is resolutely refusing to give up it's independence

Iran has changed the situation in the middle east

Iran simply cannot tolerate or allow any deal without a end to sanctions, hell you could give the U.S a deal which gives Trump some economic incentive just to get things going

But if iran get get its deal then this will be the rise of Iran as the hegemon of the middle east
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Bro, we have killed only 13 Americans after 3 direct conflicts with the Americans since 2018. That's pathetic.

There used to be a time that Iran could kill 300 American and NATO soldiers on a single day in Beirut and not give an actual f*ck about it. The Americans and the Israelis have killed well above 6000 Iranians since last year's June and we haven't been able to kill even 30 Americans and Israeli altogether.

If we had fought back for 60-90 days, instead of 40 days, maybe we would've been able to deter the next round of war. But as of now, we lack any sort of deterrence and we're a sitting duck waiting for the US to bomb us again at their time of choosing and convenience.
 
Watching this new era of drone war phenomenon What’s funny is that flak ( and WW2 era air defence in general) will probably make a comeback just because it’s available anti drone equipment. I hope Pakistani military is taking notes on this conflict on drone warfare. .
 
ShapurII said:
Bro, we have killed only 13 Americans after 3 direct conflicts with the Americans since 2018. That's pathetic.

There used to be a time that Iran could kill 300 American and NATO soldiers on a single day in Beirut and not give an actual f*ck about it. The Americans and the Israelis have killed well above 6000 Iranians since last year's June and we haven't been able to kill even 30 Americans and Israeli altogether.

If we had fought back for 60-90 days, instead of 40 days, maybe we would've been able to deter the next round of war. But as of now, we lack any sort of deterrence and we're a sitting duck waiting for the US to bomb us again at their time of choosing and convenience.
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Iran has wiped multiple U.S bases and radars out of the region and is holding the Hormuz and U.S allies hostage

The U.S genuinely doesn't know what to do

In any conflict the Iranians were always going to take more damage, but Iran is permanent state of the middle east, whilst the U.S is projecting power from a long long way away

If the end result is a Iran controlling the Hormuz and a U.S allies forced to remove U.S bases and cut a deal with Iran, then Iran has prevailed
 
hussain0216 said:
Iran has wiped multiple U.S bases and radars out of the region and is holding the Hormuz and U.S allies hostage

The U.S genuinely doesn't know what to do

In any conflict the Iranians were always going to take more damage, but Iran is permanent state of the middle east, whilst the U.S is projecting power from a long long way away

If the end result is a Iran controlling the Hormuz and a U.S allies forced to remove U.S bases and cut a deal with Iran, then Iran has prevailed
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It seems that they do know what to do. They're counting on a naval blockade to force Iran to surrender. Their blockade has already led to a significant devaluation of the Iranian currency and uncontrolled inflation.

Trump and the US do not care about material losses. It's only loss of life that can force Trump to reevaluate his war.
 
Lulldapull said:
Bro…….iran can’t do that cuz immediately it would become a Persian vs Arab war and that really needs to be avoided. We as Pakistanis need to calm all this down and make peace in that region or else our own survival is at stake.
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Persian Vs Arab war? You mean the mighty Arab world Consisting of the Mighty KSA, Kuwait and Bahrain? I fancy my chances thank you.
 
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